Well, the Emperor does it again

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Oh no PO,

President Obama is in over his head, an amateur, and definitely not a leader...


I've been saying all along-- Romney will NEVER have my support.
He's the worst kind of politician-- inconsistent, insincere, and insufficient.

I don't care for either one. But, Romney never really answers the real questions. Typical of him, he speaks, but never really says anything at all. Reminds me of the debates.

The policy change is not an executive order, but rather a memo from the Department of Homeland Security to its agencies. Still, Romney is correct that it could be overturned by a future president, meaning his failure to address whether he would change the policy leaves a large, open question.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1601260.html

[AreYouReady?]

Congress can also revoke a presidential executive order by passing a bill by a veto-proof (2/3 vote) majority. For example, in 2003 Congress unsuccessfully attempted to revoke President Bush's Executive Order 13233, which had rescinded Executive Order 12667 (Reagan). The bill, HR 5073, did not pass.

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/presi...tive_order.htm

Wonder why the media did not report the above? Of course, we will never see this. They all know what the plan is...to harmonize all of North America in accordance to NAFTA so they will never rescind orders from any sitting president that advances the North American Union.

Here's some questions fer some of ya'll. Why is it against the law for law enforcement to question hispanics for their legality of being in America?

Why did Former President George W. Bush call the minutemen "vigilantes" when they watched the border and called on Border Patrol when they detained undocumented immigrants crossing the border?

Why is the Obama Administration suing Arizona for enacting their own law that mirrors the exact same law for immigration that the Federal Government has on the books?

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by SiblingRevelry

And what, exactly, do you propose to do with 800,000 people who were brought here as children and grew up here? Just ship them back, dump them over the border and wash your hands of them? They didn't exactly have a choice to come here when they were kids (right, your four year old is going to say, Mama, I don't want to be illegal in America--get real).

What we have right now is an exploitable and exploited underclass of people who haven't been back to their native lands, probably don't speak the language or have any connections, and the (let me just whip out the big old thumping Bible here) Christian thing to do is to round 'em up and send them back?

Exodus 22:21: Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

From a sociopolitical perspective, the idea of sending hundreds of thousands or millions of people back to countries they've not seen in a long time is just asking for trouble. For example, you cannot dump a few million people over the Mexican border without it introducing even more instability in what is already a very bad situation.

I'm probably making a huge mistake wading into this, but I'm flat-out tired of the "send 'em back" nonsense without considering all the consequences. And there are consequences--and not all of them or even most of them are good.

After talking with a woman for several hours about her pov concerning her son-in-law who is one of those children brought here by his parents, who are now deceased, I have to agree with this post.

According to her, he has now grown up and is "stuck" here. He knows nobody in Mexico and has no known family in Mexico. He is not receiving tax refunds that he is entitled to. He pays taxes, even with a fake SS# and will never collect those retirement benefits if he ever lives here long enough to retire. All that money will go into the SS pool for Americans.

He is continually harassed at roadblocks for various reasons although there are laws that they cannot be profiled for undocumentation. He has paid thousands and thousands of dollars to lawyers as a result of his vehicles being impounded and for them to help him become a "documented" alien, which he is here through no choice of his own.

Some will call him a criminal for being here illegally, but perhaps he is a victim of his circumstances.

We often do not see the tragic consequences of the personal lives of people who only want to feed their children.

It is well known that the large corporations and our government would allow the hispanics (migrant workers) to come and help with the agriculture harvest, but then would kick them back out very coldly when they are not needed anymore.

And yes, there is a household of hispanics that live about a 1/2 mile from me and I am not going to notify any agency of them being there. Why should I? The Sheriff Department is well aware that they live there. I do not know if they are legal or illegal and I am not going to ask. They keep to themselves, are pleasant when they do interact with us. They cause no harm to the neighbors and pay their local bills on time.

Not notifying a federal agency of their presence does not make me or anybody else a criminal. If federal law is that law enforcement cannot ask immigrants of their legality, what good would it do for anybody to report them? They are an exploited and persecuted group of people here in America and I am not going to add to their persecution.

Although I do not think that Obama has written this executive order because of any love he has for these people, I can admire that it is a brilliant political move on his part...a one-up on Romney.

And I do not believe that Romney is telling the truth about executive orders being a "short-term" solution to anything. There are executive orders on the books from 70 or more years ago and those will be legal to enact should any president choose to enact any of those orders. He said he will "rescind" those orders, but what will he "rescind" those orders with?

Congress has been trying to pass "amnesty" laws for decades. The government allowed this uncontrolled immigration to happen for reasons known to them.

Perhaps it is government not being honest to the American people as to why they will not enforce federal immigration laws that have the people so riled up?

[canam]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I knew it would be just a matter of time before I'd see you around these parts!

I would appreciate if you took my post and dismantled it, point by point.

Teach me!

I am your willing pupil!

Enlighten my darkened mind so that my liberal tendencies are cast out, and that I might walk in the newness of far-right conservatism!

You are anything but a willing pupil JD, unless its a barack pupil/deciple. Its very simple JD ,you accuse Romney of being or not being certain things and everything you stated has exactly been done by your hero Barack ,who i have nothing but contempt for ,your hypocrisy stinks.If he wasnt half black you wouldnt give him the time of day.i on the other hand would hate his actions if he was purple,or any other color .It is discusting to see you take up for a man who has done nothing for the black community employment wise or anything, except hand out more welfare.He then hands amnesty to a bunch of latinos who will then take even more jobs from the black community .You should be ashamed and embarrassed.You can not see past his color period and im not afraid to say it ! Keep cheering this man on while he stabs you in the back along with other blacks ,there is a reason why he does nothing for the black community, because he knows you will vote for him no matter what .He is playing you for a fool .

[Sam]

Why is Barack Obama considered an African American President?
Isn't he 50 percent white
30 percent African
20 percent Arab
or something like that?

[canam]

Originally Posted by Sam

Why is Barack Obama considered an African American President?
Isn't he 50 percent white
30 percent African
20 percent Arab
or something like that?

[canam]

Finally someone OWNS him IM THE PRESIDENT DONT YA KNOW YOU DONT INTERRUPT ME.http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=899_1339789465

[Sam]

the emperor does it again

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by canam

You are anything but a willing pupil JD, unless its a barack pupil/deciple. Its very simple JD ,you accuse Romney of being or not being certain things and everything you stated has exactly been done by your hero Barack ,who i have nothing but contempt for ,your hypocrisy stinks.If he wasnt half black you wouldnt give him the time of day.i on the other hand would hate his actions if he was purple,or any other color .It is discusting to see you take up for a man who has done nothing for the black community employment wise or anything, except hand out more welfare.He then hands amnesty to a bunch of latinos who will then take even more jobs from the black community .You should be ashamed and embarrassed.You can not see past his color period and im not afraid to say it ! Keep cheering this man on while he stabs you in the back along with other blacks ,there is a reason why he does nothing for the black community, because he knows you will vote for him no matter what .He is playing you for a fool .

You're wrong, but you've been accusing me of liking Obama because he's black since I've made it my business to defend him on AFF. Believe what you want to believe.

If after reading my post, this is all you have to say about it then I must have made my point so clearly that even you can understand, leaving you with your only option, which is to play the dreaded RACE card. (gasp)


Obama exudes leadership, Romney shoots arrows. Politically, Romney is beneath Obama and will never be on his level because Romney isn't committed or passionate about anything!

Obama is exactly who he says he is. He is left of Center and consistently left of Center.

Romney is a milque-toast politician that wears the Republican badge.

There are some who thinks that he is what our party needs after GWB and his ilk damaged our brand. I think that we needed a fresh face nationally, but Romney, like Steele are poor choices for national GOP positions. I remember stating that Steele would be a poor choice for his position and ultimately I was right. It looks strategically good to put a guy like Romney out front, but he is not the kind of Conservative our Party needs on a national level.

4 years of Romney could equal 8 years of Hillary or of some other politically genuine and popular Democrat-- but you like most other GOP'ers are too short-sighted to realize this! A Romney presidency will lead to political death by drowning for the GOP nationally-- drowning in a bland but lethal concoction of inconsistencies with a vanilla flavor.


Go back to my first post on this thread and let's discuss the merits or inaccuracies of my post.

[canam]

ROFLMBO leadership ?put the bath salts away JD LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL