They could all "look like" district superintendent ***** ******* (or even) "look like" sunday school superintendent **** ******
Which do you think would be worse? To (look like) a pedophile or to actually (be) a pedophile or (even nastier just sayin') be a wrinkled old 60+ - yr-old man sneaking through the shadows of a public park picking up men for money?
Any opinion?
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Originally Posted by HolyFire
I was doing something in the kitchen yesterday and I had two thoughts:
1. Maybe God turned this guy over to a delusion?
2. Why do all the men on that website look like pedophiles?
Last edited by CC1; 07-01-2012 at 11:22 AM.
Reason: Used first and last names of ministers accused of sexual immorality
I agree this is a very sad situation. It blows my mind that someone who ministered for so many years could end up an unbeliever.
Many preachers fail but almost all do not renounce God as they recognize the failure is in themselves. I have a feeling there is a lot of stuff going on in his personal life involved with this seismic shift in belief.
If you ministered for 25 years and enjoyed the presence and blessings of God that much how could you all of a sudden declare there is no God?
Jerry happens to be a great person actually and to see speculation on whether he actually had anything or the other uninformed comments is quite sad.
I certainly don't question whether he actually had anything. My particular point was just that - How can a person who has experienced the presence of God, etc deny it later.
However as incredible as that seems to me I think that has gone on since the dawn of time. That is why no amount of signs or wonders will cause people to believe in God and be saved. In the end it comes down to faith, which we are assured every person is given a measure of.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Actually CC1 it's not that hard when you feel like what you gave so much of your life to isn't there when you needed it to be. Perhaps for some it is but people like Jerry, myself, and others who are members of the Clergy Project it isn't.
I'm not here as a former pentecostal to cause trouble but this thread and it's comments troubled me.
Actually CC1 it's not that hard when you feel like what you gave so much of your life to isn't there when you needed it to be. Perhaps for some it is but people like Jerry, myself, and others who are members of the Clergy Project it isn't.
I'm not here as a former pentecostal to cause trouble but this thread and it's comments troubled me.
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So, his definition of faith is pretending you believe?
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So, his definition of faith is pretending you believe?
No ma'am I don't think that's it at all. I've spoken with him and I'm connected with him as our stories are similar. He did believe and preached it as I did but there came a time in his life, and mine, where he questioned and there was nothing there besides faith to back it up.
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