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Old 05-24-2012, 09:33 AM
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Hebrew is the language of Angels.
Having heard it, I am persuaded to agree with you.
Also, the way it is written, absent vowels, strangely
affirms this for me.
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Old 05-24-2012, 09:35 AM
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Naw. TnI (tongues and interpretation) are gifts of the Spirit. It's not a gift if you know the language.
Ah, good point.
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Old 05-24-2012, 09:46 AM
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Re: A Hebrew or Greek NT?

A reflection of tongues that seems to oppose Sam's,
a discussion of Tongues of Angels.

http://www.christiancourier.com/arti...rinthians-13-1

A...doctoral? rebuttal would be nice, Sam, ty.
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Old 05-24-2012, 10:07 AM
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Re: A Hebrew or Greek NT?

BB, I think you are of the opinion that the NT books were written in Hebrew or Aramaic? I've always heard it was Greek, but I don't know how certain either theory is. (Not that they all were in the same language, of course.)

Haven't done much research on this. Have you?
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Old 05-24-2012, 10:18 AM
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BB, I think you are of the opinion that the NT books were written in Hebrew or Aramaic? I've always heard it was Greek, but I don't know how certain either theory is. (Not that they all were in the same language, of course.)

Haven't done much research on this. Have you?
Almost none. I know many of the Jews at the time knew Greek,
but there is a Jewish expression, "better to eat pork than learn Greek."

The Bibles we read are extracted from the Greek,
and I'm not sure how big a deal this will end up being,
but these guys thought in Hebrew, and Hebrew NTs
exist, that I guess are just now in the process of being translated
(I gather, from a Gsearch of "Hebrew New Testament."

I have a call into a Rabbi for more info here,
will update. My desire, of course, is to possibly clear up some of the ambiguity in Scripture,
when I'm not even sure that this is desired? By God? But how can clarity not be desired?
Ambiguity may serve a function.

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Old 05-24-2012, 10:23 AM
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Re: A Hebrew or Greek NT?

I think we got ours thru the Greek because that
was the audience of the day, Hebrews were
mostly not buying it. So, the Greek proliferated,
and ty God, but the Hebrew might clarify.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:00 AM
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Sam's http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=39668
has an interesting reflection of tongues.
i disagree with the picture. it has evidence of other tongues on it as being doctrine.

if one understand what the keys of the kingdom is that Christ gave to peter it is easier to understand.

three massive outpours was done, jews = samaritans = gentiles.

the three keys to unlock Gods salvation to the jews first, With signs and miracles, also to the samaritans, who jews hated, and even to the gentiles who was detestable. It was the evidence of tounges that showed God accepted the gentiles.

we faulter cause we make a doctrine of tongues when we have many conversions with out tongues being mentioned.

Im not at home or i would get my notes on what william seymour said about tongues at asuza street. to him it was a gift of the Spirit not initial evidence.

One Spirit, many fillings and according to Paul not all speak with tonges. so i cant go into much detail at the moment on it
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:08 AM
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Re: A Hebrew or Greek NT?

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BB, I think you are of the opinion that the NT books were written in Hebrew or Aramaic? I've always heard it was Greek, but I don't know how certain either theory is. (Not that they all were in the same language, of course.)

Haven't done much research on this. Have you?
It is my understanding that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew except for parts of the book of Daniel and Ezra. Daniel 1:1-2:3 was in Hebrew; 2.4-7:8 was in Aramaic, Chaldean, or Syriac; and 8:1-12"13 was in Hebrew. Ezra 4:8-6:18 and 7:12-26 were in Aramaic and the rest was in Hebrew.

It is generally believed that all of our New Testament books were written in Greek but some believe Matthew was originally written in Hebrew/Aramaic and possible the Gospel of John also.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:11 AM
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Re: A Hebrew or Greek NT?

I honestly don't know if Paul was referring to actual angelic languages in 1 Corinthians 13 or if he was just saying that any tongue/language speaking whether human or heavenly is not as important as charity/love.

Of course whenever angels spoke to humans they spoke in a language understood by humans, but I don't know how they communicate with one another and with God.
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It is my understanding that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew except for parts of the book of Daniel and Ezra. Daniel 1:1-2:3 was in Hebrew; 2.4-7:8 was in Aramaic, Chaldean, or Syriac; and 8:1-12"13 was in Hebrew. Ezra 4:8-6:18 and 7:12-26 were in Aramaic and the rest was in Hebrew.

It is generally believed that all of our New Testament books were written in Greek but some believe Matthew was originally written in Hebrew/Aramaic and possible the Gospel of John also.
i believe the book of john is very late, it has hellenized characteristics which means very influential by greek. so i would doubt is was ever in hebrew unless it was translated after the book was written.

Matthew we know had a hebrew copy written, we also know some of the epistles was initialy written in hebrew by paul and then written in greek by luke
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