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Old 05-08-2012, 11:34 AM
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Wonder if any fans of Ryan's budget will criticize Massachusetts for capping health care expenditures relative to GDP?

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JD, that is the old tired characterization of EVERY GOP candidate from the left. Who has the media ever portrayed from the Republican Party as an every day guy? Even when you have Kerry who was the wealthiest, and still is, Senator in Congress, he was never portrayed as an out of touch blue blood whose wealth kept him from understanding the average citizen. Every single politician in Washington is far wealthier than the average guy. It's hypocritical to single Romney out. And it's irrelevant. I don't care if a guy knows what's it's like to be me or not. What I care about are his policies and his agenda, silver spoon or no.

Please name for me this President's accomplishments over the last three and half years. I'll give you killing Bin Laden. Great call. I say "bravo" for pulling out of Iraq. But what I'm talking about is economics. That's what this election is going to be about. What can Obama point to that gives anyone reason to hope that Keynesian theory is going to produce the growth we need and give us hope that the spending will decrease to match revenue levels so we don't keep going in the hole? The debt is going to kill us. What is he going to run on?

The jobs situation is so bad right now that even with the official unemployment number dropping to 8.1%, even the White House won't toot their horns about it. It's because they know that underlying that fact the number of people dropping out of the job market is increasing and that the other metrics are pointing to negative net job growth. The stats just came out for April.

Why he has your vote is an enigma.
His actions have brought 25 months of steady private sector job growth.
His actions saved some homeowners.
His actions saved a major automobile manufacturing company.
His actions saved countless jobs.
His actions have deported more illegal immigrants than any other President.
His actions have seen the arrests and annhilation of many high-level terrorists, around the world.
His actions have helped to keep America safe.
His actions have encouraged more private companies to put more Veterans to work than ever before.
His actions have helped so many returning combat Veterans and their families.
His actions secured our military presence in Afghanistan until 2014, but our influence in the area for years to come.
His actions may help someone to get the health care they need that they may not have been able to afford on their own.



You know, for all this talk about the President not doing anything, he sure has done a lot!


If you want to talk economy, talk the whole picture. It's NOT all doom and gloom and most people know that. Slow, steady growth is a sign of stability. 24 months from now, our economy will much more vibrant, stable and strong.
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Old 05-09-2012, 06:57 PM
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ROMNEY/OBAMA DEBATE

Mitt: You are for healthcare mandates.
Obama: So are you.

Mitt: You are for strict gun control for law abiding citizens.
Obama: So are you.

Mitt: You are for an entitlement system.
Obama: So are you.

Mitt: You are for abortion.
Obama: So are you.

Mitt: You are for more wars in the Middle East.
Obama: so are you.

Mitt: You are for the patriot act.
Obama: So are you.

Mitt: You are for bailouts of big banks.
Obama: So are you.

Mitt: You raise all your money from megabanks and lobbyist.
Obama: So do you.

Mitt:
You supported liberal judges.
Obama: So did you

Mitt:
You are for gay marriage.
Obama: So are you,

Mitt:
You are for Cap & Trade
Obama: So are you.

Does anybody remember Massachusetts, because Obama will even though republicans didn’t bother to vet their candidate? Romney is the most liberal governor in the USA with a proud record of 47th on the list for job creation in the US.

Do you get it yet??

Just sayin'.....

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Old 05-10-2012, 09:51 AM
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His actions have brought 25 months of steady private sector job growth.
What actions? Wouldn't "private sector job growth" be the result of the private sector?

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His actions saved some homeowners.
What actions? The housing bubble was created by Clinton-era policies forcing banks to make risky loans. It was kept alive and promoted by Democrats during the Bush years. Many people lost their homes primarily because of the types of liberal social policies that President Obama supports. There wouldn't have to be homes to save if the Democrats would have let the market determine itself instead of playing socialist games with it.

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His actions saved a major automobile manufacturing company.
The bailout money saved GMC. Yet Ford refused the bailout money, inspired themselves to make it work, and now they are cranking out some of the best autos in the market. GMC may have been saved but they have a long way to go to ranking with Toyotas, Hondas and Mercedes like Ford is doing---without govt money. My prediction is that GMC will be in trouble again in time. It may be 10 years, it may be 20 years, but bailouts only seem to reinforce the notion that there are no consequences to poor management, unreasonable unions and bad products. The big dogs get their bonuses, the union bosses get their fat salaries, and the assembly line worker gets his $75 an hour and top of the line benefits package, while sales continue to slump isn't sustainable anymore.

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His actions saved countless jobs.
How do you quantify that? It's the "it would've been worse" campaign slogan. What is a job saved? How can we measure a saved job? I don't know. You dont know. No one does because the only way to prove a job would have been saved would be to create a second reality in a parallel universe without an auto bailout or a stimulus and after four years compare the number of jobs in this splinter universe with our existing universe. It is incredulous for Obama to try to take credit for something that isn't verifiable, but based only on wishful thinking.

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His actions have deported more illegal immigrants than any other President.
That's great to hear, yet there are no actions taken to secure the border or address the massive numbers of illegals here. I admit both parties are guilty of dragging their feet on this one and I don't fault Obama solely for the problem of illegal immigration. Yet, I don't know how you can say that his immigration policies are a good reason to vote for the guy. As far as weighing his administration in toto, I think the the administration taking Arizona to court for passing a law enabling law enforcement officers to check for legal immigration status is a gross abuse of it's authority. Think about it: the Attorney General is suing Arizona for enforcing the very federal laws the administration is sworn to uphold and defend!

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His actions have seen the arrests and annhilation of many high-level terrorists, around the world.
I will grant him praise for this with one caveat: some critics are saying that annihilating high level targets with drones or special ops eliminates the possibilities of extracting much needed information from these leaders. It's indisputable with the info we have now from people who were involved in the enhanced interrogations that the information acquired through enhanced interrogations gave usnthe leads we needed to take out several of these high profile terrorist leaders including Bin Laden. Obama has stopped the program and with it, possibly vital info that could prevent other terrorist actions. And then the whole debacle of trying prosecute KSM on American soil in American courts. It backfired and no one wanted the trial to happen in their backyard. Obama and Holder had to backtrack on that, going with military tribunals just as the Bush admin promoted from the beginning. And he had to backtrack on closing Gitmo. Now these backtracks weren't because there was a sudden revelation and change of heart, it was for pure politics, just as the promises to try them in our courts, providing habeas corpus to them and closing Gitmo were political ploys to strengthen his base. It suddenly became politically inconvenient to try to make good on those promises.

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His actions have helped to keep America safe.
Well the growing danger is our economic vulnerability. And BO does nothing to give us hope that the mounting debt is ever going to be addressed. He never talks about it. His most recent budget proposal grew the debt even further and didn't contain a plan to reduce it any time soon. And JD this is because he fundamentally believes that added spending can turn this country around. It's preposterous. It's a formula that has worked to an extent at certain times in history, but never to this level. There is limit to how much you can borrow and spend and we are nearing the limit with no plan in sight to change things. It's going to take substantial cuts and those cuts will have to be with Social Security and Medicare and other entitlements that eat up well over 60% of the budget and will increasingly become more and more a percentage of the total.

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His actions have encouraged more private companies to put more Veterans to work than ever before.
His actions have helped so many returning combat Veterans and their families.
His actions secured our military presence in Afghanistan until 2014, but our influence in the area for years to come.
His actions may help someone to get the health care they need that they may not have been able to afford on their own.
In the end these issues may or may not be true or accurate. The truth is the economy has to be addressed, top to bottom, specifically in relationship to this growing, always hungry, never satisfied beast called the US Federal Government that shows no signs of healing itself. It's a cancer that is going to destroy the prosperity and peace this nation has enjoyed for so long.

You downplay the gloomy predictions and act is if these things are inconsequential or somehow some way we'll figure it out, or someone will fix things. But the truth is there have been celebrated, civilized, educated, prosperous societies throughout history that grew complacent and indifferent about the gathering storms, signs that trouble was coming, and ignored them to their peril.

It may take 10 years, it may take 50 years, but if nothing is fundamentally done to change the course the nation is on economically, we are destined for a disaster like we've never seen. And that goes for the GOP too should they gain the reins of power. During the Bush years they spent money like there was an empty supply of money and I criticized them for it, wrote letters to them about it and withheld financial support because of it.

There has to be a fundamental shift, and I do not see Obama coming even close to the idea that Keynesian economics is a classroom fantasy. It does not work. Europe is proof positive it doesnt work. The length of the Great Depression is proof. The failure of the socialist experiment in the former Soviet Union is proof. The fact that communist China saw the handwriting on the wall and has embraced capitalism more and more bringing prosperity and economic success to it's shores is proof.

So to say Obama has nothing to run on is hyperbole, yes, but when it comes to THE ISSUE of this election and maybe our lifetimes, to me it's obvious that he has been weighed in the balances and is found wanting.


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You know, for all this talk about the President not doing anything, he sure has done a lot!

If you want to talk economy, talk the whole picture. It's NOT all doom and gloom and most people know that. Slow, steady growth is a sign of stability. 24 months from now, our economy will much more vibrant, stable and strong.
He promised it would be more vibrant, stable and strong back in 2009 when he took office. He said unemployment would be lower, he said GDP would be stronger, he promised a lot of things he failed to deliver on. He said if he didn't deliver he should be a one term president. Most of the metrics point to a sluggish economy at best. He may say, "it could've been worse". We say, "it shouldve been better". And it will be when he is sent home packing to Chicago in November.
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ROMNEY/OBAMA DEBATE

Mitt: You are for healthcare mandates.
Obama: So are you.

Mitt: You are for strict gun control for law abiding citizens.
Obama: So are you.

Mitt: You are for an entitlement system.
Obama: So are you.

Mitt: You are for abortion.
Obama: So are you.

Mitt: You are for more wars in the Middle East.
Obama: so are you.

Mitt: You are for the patriot act.
Obama: So are you.

Mitt: You are for bailouts of big banks.
Obama: So are you.

Mitt: You raise all your money from megabanks and lobbyist.
Obama: So do you.

Mitt:
You supported liberal judges.
Obama: So did you

Mitt:
You are for gay marriage.
Obama: So are you,

Mitt:
You are for Cap & Trade
Obama: So are you.

Does anybody remember Massachusetts, because Obama will even though republicans didn’t bother to vet their candidate? Romney is the most liberal governor in the USA with a proud record of 47th on the list for job creation in the US.

Do you get it yet??

Just sayin'.....

Gingrich had his own set of challenges as a candidate against Obama. I would be supporting him had he emerged as the frontrunner. I would support Paul, Santorum, Bachmann, Cain, Perry---any of them against Obama. Are you hoping Romney wins? Or are hoping to rub our noses in it if he doesn't? Do you plan to spend the rest of the campaign casting stones at Romney, or can you bring yourself to turn your angst elsewhere and channel it toward the guy who sits in the Oval Office promoting socialism, gay marriage and very flawed economic and social issues?
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Gingrich had his own set of challenges as a candidate against Obama. I would be supporting him had he emerged as the frontrunner. I would support Paul, Santorum, Bachmann, Cain, Perry---any of them against Obama. Are you hoping Romney wins? Or are hoping to rub our noses in it if he doesn't? Do you plan to spend the rest of the campaign casting stones at Romney, or can you bring yourself to turn your angst elsewhere and channel it toward the guy who sits in the Oval Office promoting socialism, gay marriage and very flawed economic and social issues?
He doesn't have his full delegates in the bag yet, so I'm going to continue vetting him. I'm just giving you a preview of what's ahead for ORomney.

The RNC violated it's own Rule 11. We will see if that is challenged at Convention. Of course, Priebus knows who brought him to the dance so I expect this will also be overlooked. It's just great to be in the Republican Party - not.
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DB, I know you to be a reasonable man. The RNC is really pushing it. Ron Paul is still in the race and Romney has not received his full delegates. The RNC is violating it's own rules.

RULE NO. 11

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(a) The Republican National Committee shall not, without the prior written and filed approval of all members of the Republican National Committee from the state involved, contribute money or in-kind aid to any candidate for any public or party office except the nominee of the Republican Party or a candidate who is unopposed in the Republican primary after the filing deadline for that office. In those states where state law establishes a nonpartisan primary in which Republican candidates could participate, but in which the general election may not include a Republican candidate, the candidate endorsed by a convention held under the authority of the state Republican Party shall be recognized by the Republican National Committee as the Republican nominee.

(b) No state Republican Party rule or state law shall be observed that allows persons who have participated or are participating in the selection of any nominee of a party other than the Republican Party, including, but not limited to, through the use of a multiparty primary or similar type ballot, to participate in the selection of a nominee of the Republican Party for that general election. No person nominated in violation of this rule shall be recognized by the Republican National Committee as the nominee of the Republican Party from that state.
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PO - you are becoming a little scarily obsessed with this.
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