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Old 05-02-2012, 02:38 PM
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Re: Truth Obscured

But you highlight a basic dilemma; we'll get back to that.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:50 PM
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Re: Truth Obscured

Awesome--you're already in the correct mode
to examine obscurity!

Or, are you playing?
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Awesome--you're already in the correct mode
to examine obscurity!

Or, are you playing?
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ok, no playing


I would like to participate with an open mind and closed wit.
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:19 PM
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ok, no playing


I would like to participate with an open mind and closed wit.
Ok, well I got off the VPN, and then realized I forgot my pc
So now im on some i-thingy that won't work forme, either
(ah, truffles $40 for 3 oz, my bad)
Anyway, I have a good suggestion to talk amongst yourselves
That might help get you in the correct mode-
(physicists have now verified Timmys postulate
And are now confirming things even THEY cant
Believe-we will end up at, hopefully, a fuller grasp
Of "no one knows," (but of course, the Shadow knows)--

I suggest that, truth being obscured, I will now, for the moment at least,
Read exactly the opposite of whatever one posts--
"I know that is white" becomes
"I don't know that is black" etc--
And so posts should be framed thusly.

And a quick overview of Bell's theorem tonight
Might come in handy, tho surely thats a day or so away.

"i know i can return to post some...nonsense, ya, by tonite."

Wow, brutal..

Might come in handy
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:30 PM
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Ok, since that will be lost, consider this-
The very elect will be deceived (if that were possible)
Because they "know" something that they actually don't know-
We are going to first "un-know" as much as possible of what we know.
I would like to participate with an open mind and closed wit.[/QUOTE]

Hmm; I hope that it will shortly become apparent that "open mind"
Is a functional oxymoron; for me included, and we might be better
Served to reverse those. There are exercises, even online, for this,
Maybe T can guide, as I can't post anymore like this!
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:04 PM
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ha chicken; as the Heretic, this should be right up your alley--
but since I can't think of a way, other than Tao, which would take a month,
and this started as religion, let's flip to non-religion for a sec, repped by physics here,
and just jump in to what Bell's theorem proved, that Einstein (et al) proved like 80 years ago, but could not accept--although after the clock thing I'm not really sure why.

We know that synchronized atomic clocks, one here on earth and one in the space shuttle, are out-of-synch when the shuttle returns by several seconds due to the relatively large diff in speeds incurred by the shuttle in flight; and by extension if the shuttle accelerated to lightspeed, its clock would stop, although it would still be keeping perfect, atomic time, from its pov. If you don't buy this, see below.

Bell's T is just stats, anyway, and are useless without explanation, and even then is hard to absorb. The functional part of it here, for us, is that it proves the EPR (Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen) "thought experiment," which will follow,

But since this will get mildly deep quick, we may as well establish that physics is real first. Don't worry, we'll get to all this obscurity, satanic or otherwise, eventually. Now physics might be expressed as carrying the atheist torch, at least in a sense; Einstein was not atheist, and when you think physics, you think Einstein (as he is a type), but physics is the study of the material plane, which to an atheist is all there is. Or at least, that's all they keep trying to study...

Now if you just don't accept that the clock on the shuttle loses several seconds,
even after 80+ years of verification, that it's all a hoax, I'll need to refer you to the Young Double Slit experiment--which you may remember from middle school, the very worst time to introduce a subject like this, when you have just discovered the opposite sex, and are incapable of really learning anything--which you can do on your kitchen table with a flashlight, a piece of cardboard, and a piece of paper, and when you discover that you can't answer

"assuming that a single photon goes through one of the two slits, how does it know whether or not the other slit is open?"

then you can come back; meanwhile refer to
the position of the Catholic church v. Copernicus, Galileo, et al
which phrase I now have as an Fkey. (the "answer" is "Somehow it does." An interference pattern always forms when we open both slits, and never forms when we open one slit.)

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Old 05-02-2012, 08:39 PM
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Ahh...byrd...it's no one cares what *I* have to say about it.

Not that no one cares what *you* have to say about it.
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How can I participate in this exercise when I don't even understand what it is about? I thought I did at first...but felt like I got a lecture from byrd over my answer.

So...
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