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05-23-2007, 09:12 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Using emotional arguments and not logical ones, stomping your feet and yelling is not making for a very good argument
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Have you been in the services where 'being cast into hell' is preached with all its emotionalism and fear? Then as soon as it is over its, "Where are we meeting, Chili's?" Isn't it about time we deal with the fact that we really don't understand or else don't really believe? Maybe a little emotionalism against such incomprehension is in order?
Even though most Christian's don't live like there is a literal Hell, this doctrine still terrorizes much of the world.
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05-23-2007, 09:16 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
God WARNS them. Jesus WARNS them. Here he said "cast into hell"..that was your initial argument. Hell, right? Now, if you wanted to really start a discussion defining what Hell actually was, then why didn't you do that?
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Maybe I will.
I believe there is plenty of reason for warning, but the irrational fear that is presented to threaten folks to obey God is counterproductive.
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05-23-2007, 09:21 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by ManOfWord
I will make a confession: I used to be very good at threatening people with hell not for the obvious biblical sinful reasons, but because they would not follow the commandments and traditions of men which I thought were on equal ground with scripture. The reason I did this was due to the fact that I was taught that it was the way to get the altars full and people repenting.
I never took a class to learn the finer points of heaping judgement, I just observed the seemingly "elevated" status of those who did and learned that it was the "way" to acceptance and promotion.
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This is what really prompted this thread, the popularity of the apparel standards threads on this forum is appalling. Surely, God has called us to deeper and more significance things.
Hey, haven't seen you around much lately.
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05-23-2007, 09:24 PM
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Resident PeaceMaker
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If one doesn't believe in Christ ,they will perish.The destruction or the punishment of the wicked ,will not be pleasant.
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05-23-2007, 09:30 PM
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Honorary Admin
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Originally Posted by crakjak
This is what really prompted this thread, the popularity of the apparel standards threads on this forum is appalling. Surely, God has called us to deeper and more significance things.
Hey, haven't seen you around much lately.
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I have been busy with "pastor" stuff.
Plus it's nice outside and gotta put miles on the convertible! 
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05-23-2007, 09:31 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
If one doesn't believe in Christ ,they will perish.The destruction or the punishment of the wicked ,will not be pleasant.
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Well said, Bro. Scott. You worded that very nicely.
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05-23-2007, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by COOPER
My old Pastor used to say; the younger generation is not scared of hell, nor moved by the bloody picture of Calvary.
He said it's not that easy to get them to run to the alter these days.
People these days are moved by love, mercy, grace, compassion and understanding.
Things that the Elder generations get sick over.
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Just a thought COOPER, could it be that this generation is so desensitized to blood and guts through tv and movies that Calvary is just another horror story to watch and then move on?
I am concerned when people don't get moved by Calvary. To say that it is love that motivates and not Calvary is to miss the whole point of Calvary. It is all about love.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son...
That is love and it should be the motivating factor of Calvary.
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05-23-2007, 09:46 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by NobodyImportant
Just a thought COOPER, could it be that this generation is so desensitized to blood and guts through tv and movies that Calvary is just another horror story to watch and then move on?
I am concerned when people don't get moved by Calvary. To say that it is love that motivates and not Calvary is to miss the whole point of Calvary. It is all about love.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son...
That is love and it should be the motivating factor of Calvary.
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I believe Coop is saying that we should focus on the "whole point of Calvary", the love that God showed at Calvary reflects the depth of priority He has place on humanity.
He will go to great lengths to accomplish His purpose, and neither the wimpy efforts of a fallen angel nor the highly exalted "freewill" of man will deter Him.
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05-24-2007, 03:04 AM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Have you been in the services where 'being cast into hell' is preached with all its emotionalism and fear? Then as soon as it is over its, "Where are we meeting, Chili's?" Isn't it about time we deal with the fact that we really don't understand or else don't really believe? Maybe a little emotionalism against such incomprehension is in order?
Even though most Christian's don't live like there is a literal Hell, this doctrine still terrorizes much of the world.
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I've been in services where the preacher warned of the consequences of sin. Still, you don't win arguments based on the truthfulness of a issue by pounding your fists and yelling and trying to tie negative emotions to a subject.
The most charismatic cultist can sway someone to their way of thinking with those tools despite the fallacy of such thinking
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05-24-2007, 03:06 AM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Maybe I will.
I believe there is plenty of reason for warning, but the irrational fear that is presented to threaten folks to obey God is counterproductive.
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But your polemic here gives the impression that to warn about hell is in fact trying threaten people to obey God. Did the prophets threaten or warn? Did Jesus threaten or warn? Did Paul threaten or warn?
2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
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