Would I Kill A Person?

[Dante]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Oh spare me!

Only God can spare you.

[Aquila]

Jesus said,

John 19:11
Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

We must understand that all authority and power in every given circumstance comes from God. Therefore, we must trust God's will in all things... lest we be found charging God of sin.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Do you trust God with your fate? Yes or no?

Yes! And the protection of my fate may include using a pistol! You can't claim any different since nobody knows the mind of God!

He used dirt and spit to heal a blind man, yet all he had to say was "receive your sight."

He used water to destroy the Earth (except Noah, etc.) God could have made everyone instantly disappear, yet he chose water for the job.

God chose bears to destroy those children that mocked Elijah (2 Kings 2:23). God just could have zapped them dead.

Moses lifted his staff toward the sky, and the LORD sent thunder and hail... (why a staff?)


For every situation God has his own method of providing provision. God used spit, dirt, water, bears, staff, etc. To limit God by stating he wouldn't provide provision through a pistol is absurd!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Yes! And the protection of my fate may include using a pistol! You can't claim any different since nobody knows the mind of God!

So you can't trust God without your pistol?

He used dirt and spit to heal a blind man, yet all he had to say was "receive your sight."

Yes, Jesus used things to heal. But not to kill. Good point.

He used water to destroy the Earth (except Noah, etc.) God could have made everyone instantly disappear, yet he chose water for the job.

Yes, God has the power and authority to do so. A man does not.

God chose bears to destroy those children that mocked Elijah (2 Kings 2:23). God just could have zapped them dead. Moses lifted his staff toward the sky, and the LORD sent thunder and hail... (why a staff)

Notice each violent act came from God... Moses didn't choose to zap the Egyptians using a high powered laser blaster. It was God who demonstrated His power miraculously in a mere staff. Who knows... hold up a #2 pencil and witness to Christ's power in an attack... your attackers might become deeply convicted by the very power of God. I think it would be nice to have the guts Moses had... taking on all of Egypt... with merely a staff given to Him by God. lol

For every situation God has his own method to provide provision. God used spit, dirt, water, bears, staff, etc. To limit God by stating he wouldn't provide provision through a pistol is absurd!

If you can find ONE instance of a born again Christian using violence in the NT, I'll give it to you. If not, I propose that the very notion that we need an earthly weapon to be secure is absurd. Especially considering the Might and sovereignty of our God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyoJe1icwHA

[Aquila]

Please note. I'm not advocating non-resistance. I'm advocating not using lethal force. I'm advocating having faith in God with all abandon.

[Aquila]

God has protected me and my loved ones so far without fail. Why begin not trusting Him now?

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by Aquila

So you can't trust God without your pistol?

I trust God with and without a pistol!

Originally Posted by Aquila

If you can find ONE instance of a born again Christian using violence in the NT, I'll give it to you. If not, I propose that the very notion that we need an earthly weapon to be secure is absurd.

Peter carried a sword while traveling. Here's scripture of Jesus aprroving the carrying of a weapon (sword).



Luke 22

35) Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered.

36) He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

Furthermore in verse 38, the disciples asked Jesus, will two swords be enough and Jesus stated yes! Jesus was ok with carrying a weapon.

38) The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied

I don't carry a sword, my weapon has been upgraded to Glock!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

I trust God with and without a pistol!





Peter carried a sword while traveling. Here's scripture of Jesus aprroving the carrying of a weapon (sword).



Luke 22

35) Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered.

36) He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

Furthermore in verse 38, the disciples asked Jesus, will two swords be enough and Jesus stated yes! Jesus was ok with carrying a weapon.

38) The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied

I don't carry a sword, my weapon has been upgraded to Glock!

Wrong. Here's a biblical response:

Let's look at where Peter got that sword...

Luke 22:35-38
35And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Here Jesus asks if they were provided for during their evangelistic efforts in Judea and they affirm that they were taken care of though they had not taken purse, scrip, shoes, or provisions. However, Jesus then explains that things have changed. Now they should take a purse, a scrip, and if one doesn't have a sword, he is to sell his garment and buy one.

Many have proposed that Jesus is advocating buying a sword here. However, this is incorrect. Jesus is essentially explaining that they will face challenges that they didn't face in their first evangelistic effort. The buying of a sword is a figurative statement warning that they will face danger, it isn't a command to buy a sword. We know this because the disciples took it literally and brought two swords into the open among the group. At seeing the swords Jesus says, "It is enough." Now... certainly two swords are NOT enough for 12 men to defend themselves. So, what did Jesus mean by the statement, "It is enough"? Let's look where Jesus uses the same phrase in other verses...

Mark 14:41
And he cometh the third time, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold, the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.

The Amplified Bible renders the text as saying...

Mark 14:41
Amplified Bible (AMP)
41And He came back a third time and said to them, Are you still sleeping and resting? It is enough [of that]! The hour has come. The Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinful men (men [a]whose way or nature is to act in opposition to God).

When Jesus told those bringing swords, "It is enough.", He was saying, "It is enough [of that]!" Essentially Jesus is rebuking them for bringing literal swords.

It is obvious that Peter held on and hid one of these swords away. Perhaps it was Peter's to begin with. Then we see it re-appear at Christ's arrest...

Matthew 26:51-53
King James Version (KJV)
51And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
52Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
53Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

And in John...

John 18:9-11
King James Version (KJV)
9That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.
10Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.
11Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

Notice that Peter uses the force of violence to TRY and stop the will of God. Peter was convinced in that moment that he was serving God by attacking the Roman soldier. Notice that Peter is also rebuked by being told to put his sword away. Jesus then warns Peter about living in dependency upon the sword, assuring him that if he lives dependent upon the sword for protection... he will die by the sword. This implies that Peter would not be protected from harm, but would perhaps reap the vengence or wrath carrying a weapon might bring. Jesus then assures Peter that He could call upon Heavenly assistance at any time, the Father sending legions of angels. In John, Jesus asks Peter if He should not drink of the cup the Father has given Him, implying that Peter was thwarting the will of God with his defensive actions using a weapon.

All in all... when the disciples thought Jesus meant literal swords... they were rebuked. When Peter used a sword to defend Christ from arrest... he was rebuked. In addition Jesus HEALED the man Peter wounded! This not only demonstrates that Jesus never intended for the man to be wounded, but that Jesus had to clean up Peter's mess. For had Jesus not healed the soldier, Peter would have been arrested and perhaps sentenced to a brutal scourging or perhaps even death. Therefore I submit to you that Jesus never intended His saints to live in fear, clinging to a sword or gun for their safety, using lethal or deadly force if necessary. But rather... we are to live in faith... prepared to receive whatever is in the cup that the Father gives us.

I know a little black woman who lives in a bad neighborhood here in Dayton. She refuses to live in fear. She will not buy a gun. She witnesses boldly and relies on Jesus. In fact... even the thugs of the neighborhood have been known to ask if she's okay and if she needs anything. That's a Christian woman.

Yes... even today... obeying Christ could cost you your life... IF you're living a truly Christian life.

[Aquila]

Jacob... if you feel you need a pistol, go ahead and carry it. It it helps you feel safe, secure, strong, and like a true faith filled Christian man. Carry it.

As for me... I am just placing my entire trust in Christ alone. And living it.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Wrong. Here's a biblical response:

Let's look at where Peter got that sword...

Luke 22:35-38
35And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Here Jesus asks if they were provided for during their evangelistic efforts in Judea and they affirm that they were taken care of though they had not taken purse, scrip, shoes, or provisions. However, Jesus then explains that things have changed. Now they should take a purse, a scrip, and if one doesn't have a sword, he is to sell his garment and buy one.

Many have proposed that Jesus is advocating buying a sword here. However, this is incorrect. Jesus is essentially explaining that they will face challenges that they didn't face in their first evangelistic effort. The buying of a sword is a figurative statement warning that they will face danger, it isn't a command to buy a sword. We know this because the disciples took it literally and brought two swords into the open among the group. At seeing the swords Jesus says, "It is enough." Now... certainly two swords are NOT enough for 12 men to defend themselves. So, what did Jesus mean by the statement, "It is enough"? Let's look where Jesus uses the same phrase in other verses...

Mark 14:41
And he cometh the third time, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold, the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.

The Amplified Bible renders the text as saying...

Mark 14:41
Amplified Bible (AMP)
41And He came back a third time and said to them, Are you still sleeping and resting? It is enough [of that]! The hour has come. The Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinful men (men [a]whose way or nature is to act in opposition to God).

When Jesus told those bringing swords, "It is enough.", He was saying, "It is enough [of that]!" Essentially Jesus is rebuking them for bringing literal swords.

It is obvious that Peter held on and hid one of these swords away. Perhaps it was Peter's to begin with. Then we see it re-appear at Christ's arrest...

Matthew 26:51-53
King James Version (KJV)
51And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
52Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
53Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

And in John...

John 18:9-11
King James Version (KJV)
9That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.
10Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.
11Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

Notice that Peter uses the force of violence to TRY and stop the will of God. Peter was convinced in that moment that he was serving God by attacking the Roman soldier. Notice that Peter is also rebuked by being told to put his sword away. Jesus then warns Peter about living in dependency upon the sword, assuring him that if he lives dependent upon the sword for protection... he will die by the sword. This implies that Peter would not be protected from harm, but would perhaps reap the vengence or wrath carrying a weapon might bring. Jesus then assures Peter that He could call upon Heavenly assistance at any time, the Father sending legions of angels. In John, Jesus asks Peter if He should not drink of the cup the Father has given Him, implying that Peter was thwarting the will of God with his defensive actions using a weapon.

All in all... when the disciples thought Jesus meant literal swords... they were rebuked. When Peter used a sword to defend Christ from arrest... he was rebuked. In addition Jesus HEALED the man Peter wounded! This not only demonstrates that Jesus never intended for the man to be wounded, but that Jesus had to clean up Peter's mess. For had Jesus not healed the soldier, Peter would have been arrested and perhaps sentenced to a brutal scourging or perhaps even death. Therefore I submit to you that Jesus never intended His saints to live in fear, clinging to a sword or gun for their safety, using lethal or deadly force if necessary. But rather... we are to live in faith... prepared to receive whatever is in the cup that the Father gives us.

I know a little black woman who lives in a bad neighborhood here in Dayton. She refuses to live in fear. She will not buy a gun. She witnesses boldly and relies on Jesus. In fact... even the thugs of the neighborhood have been known to ask if she's okay and if she needs anything. That's a Christian woman.

Yes... even today... obeying Christ could cost you your life... IF you're living a truly Christian life.

Please!

I guarantee I could also find a commentary that opposes the commentary you found on-line. The fact is that God doesn't mind if I carry or use a pistol in self defense. How do I know? Because he utilizes me, talks to me, and ministers to others through me, even though I carry a pistol.

Live how you wish and so will I.