Is Father a name?

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I could not have said it better.

I called my dad POP.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

I called my dad POP.

I call God "Father"...I call George Bush "President"...I call my pastor "Pastor"...I call you "brother"...I call IB "annoying"..

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I call God "Father"...I call George Bush "President"...I call my pastor "Pastor"...I call you "brother"...I call IB "annoying"..

I suppose annoying can be a title. But IB may say you are calling him "NAMES" now.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I suppose annoying can be a title. But IB may say you are calling him "NAMES" now.

haha

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I call God "Father"...I call George Bush "President"...I call my pastor "Pastor"...I call you "brother"...I call IB "annoying"..

yeah and you better quit calling me BROTHER.I am a sister.I think my avatar throws everyone off because its not soft and cuddly but you know there are lady Rhinos too!
I must need to get a picture of one with a bow around its neck.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

yeah and you better quit calling me BROTHER.I am a sister.I think my avatar throws everyone off because its not soft and cuddly but you know there are lady Rhinos too!
I must need to get a picture of one with a bow around its neck.

Doesn't the bible use "brother" in a generic sense for all saints?

Originally Posted by mfblume

I suppose annoying can be a title. But IB may say you are calling him "NAMES" now.

What I don't understand is how you Oneness types claim that Father is a title and not a name ... EXCEPT at Isaiah 9:6 where Father mysteriously becomes a name once again.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

What I don't understand is how you Oneness types claim that Father is a title and not a name ... EXCEPT at Isaiah 9:6 where Father mysteriously becomes a name once again.

Well I am not so sure all OPs say this means Father is His name, but rather to them it shows Jesus is both Father and Son (modes or manifestations).

However grammatically if I were to say "let's call his name Jesus" would you not agree that Jesus is a name being given to someone?

And if I said "They shall call his name Everlasting Father" does that not fit the same grammatical construct?

BTW the Jews see all that follows as one big name, not separated by commas

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

What I don't understand is how you Oneness types claim that Father is a title and not a name ... EXCEPT at Isaiah 9:6 where Father mysteriously becomes a name once again.

NO more or less than Wonderful is a Name, or THE MIGHTY GOD. PRINCE OF PEACE. The fact is HIS NAME, singular, shall be "called" these things. That does not necessitate His name to BE those things. It is CALLED those things. Like saying "Mike" is a wonderful name.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Well I am not so sure all OPs say this means Father is His name, but rather to them it shows Jesus is both Father and Son (modes or manifestations).

Actually no Praxeas, Isaiah 9:6 is speaking of the SON; 'a Son is given' and it then states that the name of this Son who is given is Father! Now if this means God the Father as you claim, beause you take certain parts literally, then is isn't saying that Jesus is both the Father and also the Son as you've claimed. Isaiah 9:6 is actually saying that the name of the Son is .... Father ... according to your own logic. So the Son will be called ... FATHER, if we follow your own flawed hermeneutic.