Christian Mysticism & Divine Feminine - Page 4

Aquila · #31 10-03-2011, 07:49 AM

I do know that the Hebrew "El Shaddai" is said to translate "the breasted one". Many rabbinical writers have stated that this is because God is all sufficient for His children as a mother is her infant.

The provisional side of God may be revealed in woman (Eve) in a greater way than in Adam. Yet God's Lordship is clearly revealed in Adam.

God is neither male nor female... God is an eternal Spirit. The only "gender" that God can be said to have is perhaps in the man Jesus Christ.

mfblume · #32 10-03-2011, 09:15 AM

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I do know that the Hebrew "El Shaddai" is said to translate "the breasted one". Many rabbinical writers have stated that this is because God is all sufficient for His children as a mother is her infant.

The provisional side of God may be revealed in woman (Eve) in a greater way than in Adam. Yet God's Lordship is clearly revealed in Adam.

God is neither male nor female... God is an eternal Spirit. The only "gender" that God can be said to have is perhaps in the man Jesus Christ.

I still say God is a He and has gender. That is why Adam was all alone made in His image, and laid down in a deep sleep to have His bride, since God would manifest his flesh, sleep the deep sleep of death and get his bride as a result. Adam is physically everything God is in the spiritual.

The key to any questions of a femininity issue should easily be gained from surveying the epistles of the bible. NOTHING is mentioned about it. That settles it. It does not exist. As I see it, anyway.

When the church is resurrected in body and with the Lord, and the Sonship lays down all authority to the Father, and God is then all in all, the church will forever be the spiritual feminine for God's Spiritual masculine.

This is why the church is said to be a wife bringing forth fruit for her husband, as servant doing to he bidding of the Master, and a branch bearing fruit from the vine/tree (Last part of Romans 6 to 7:4).

mfblume · #33 10-03-2011, 09:57 AM

regarding apparent feminine attributes of God, the bible says He covers us with his wings, but we know that does not mean He is a giant chicken.

mfblume · #34 10-03-2011, 10:01 AM

Actually true Christianity is mystical to an extent:

BIBLICAL ILLUMINATION (True Mysticism) -- contends that all believers are indwelt by the [Holy] Spirit and thus are in a position to be enlightened directly by Him, but that there is one complete revelation given [the 66 canonical books of the Bible], and that the illuminating work of the Spirit will be confined to the unveiling of the Scriptures to the mind and heart. False mysticism ignores the statement found in Jude 1:3 that there is a faith or system of belief "once delivered unto the saints," and that when the Spirit is promised to "guide into all truth" (John 16:13), it is only the truth contained in the Scriptures (cf. 1 Corinthians 2:9,10). There is a unique knowledge of the mysteries or sacred secrets of God according to those who are taught (cf. 1 John 2:27) by the Spirit of God, but the sacred secrets are already contained in the text of the Bible.

I believe that anything God shows us by way of relating truth is what is already contained in the scripture, for the Spirit and the Word agree. If it is not in the scripture and it is claimed to be doctrinal truth, it is error.

Look at the definition of MYSTICISM: "Mysticism ; (from the Greek μυστικός, mystikos) is the knowledge of, and especially the personal experience of, states of consciousness, i.e. levels of being, beyond normal human perception, including experience and even communion with the Supreme Being/."

Technically all Christians are mystics, but what is the true or false mysticism that should be our question. HOW is one getting anything from God, is the question. Kabbalists, for example, claim they can lay pentagrams over the writings of the Torah and find what word that each point of the star touches to get messages from God. So HOW do people hear from God, and what is the nature of the information God allegedly gives them. I claim God may speak directly to us and help us in distinct situations that have nothing to do with relating doctrine to us. Nothing wrong with that, but I deny that God will speak truths about Himself and salvation and spiritual progress that the bible has not already covered.

Digging4Truth · #35 10-03-2011, 10:16 AM

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Personally I see God as a HIM alone. And Christ is the HIM and the church is the bride. Eph 5. Eve was in Adam but Adam did not have female qualities before Eve was made from his rib. The church was likewise in Christ, but Christ is a HIM alone. The bible never calls God a she. This is the kabbalistic idea of SHEKINAH, the female quality of God, one of nine or ten emanations. Makes Him a homosexual deity.

Yes sir... and how many Pentecostal churches seek after and cry out for the SHEKINAH glory of God?

mfblume · #36 10-03-2011, 11:07 AM

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Yes sir... and how many Pentecostal churches seek after and cry out for the SHEKINAH glory of God?

I know. That has bothered me ever since I realized what SHEKINAH really refers to. It is a word found no where in the bible in Hebrew.

seekerman · #37 10-03-2011, 11:56 AM

The thread is just a microcosm of the discussions taking place 2000 years ago when a smallish carpenter's helper suddenly appeared on the scene and told the folks in a religion established for 2000 years that the religion wasn't the true religion anymore. In fact, the carpenter's helper said, if you continue to follow that religion (which was established by God Himself), you'll burn in hell.

Same song today, just a different verse. The established religious folks say no, forget anything new spiritually, it's over. If you explore and seek deeper spiritual truths, they are really lies and you'll burn in that big torture chamber of God. They say that God FINALLY established a religion 2000 years ago which would never be changed, He was just experimenting with the religious stuff prior to that.

Religion will always attempt to take freedom from individuals and attempt to mold those individuals in the image of their understanding.

Don't let that happen, brother.

mfblume · #38 10-03-2011, 12:04 PM

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The thread is just a microcosm of the discussions taking place 2000 years ago when a smallish carpenter's helper suddenly appeared on the scene and told the folks in a religion established for 2000 years that the religion wasn't the true religion anymore. In fact, the carpenter's helper said, if you continue to follow that religion (which was established by God Himself), you'll burn in hell.

Same song today, just a different verse. The established religious folks say no, forget anything new spiritually, it's over. If you explore and seek deeper spiritual truths, they are really lies and you'll burn in that big torture chamber of God. They say that God FINALLY established a religion 2000 years ago which would never be changed, He was just experimenting with the religious stuff prior to that.

Religion will always attempt to take freedom from individuals and attempt to mold those individuals in the image of their understanding.

Don't let that happen, brother.

When the Old covenant was foretold to be "old" in Jeremiah, the prophet knew that covenant was fading.

So when the new covenant came, the old covenant witnessed with it. Now, the new covenant, our present covenant has no witness that it will be replaced with a following one. That means NOTHING NEW is coming in regards to doctrinal truth. And I go on record as wholly denouncing anything that says new truths not formerly revealed in regards to doctrine can be made known. The only actual new truths are really not new, but contained in scripture but not formerly known by us. So much in the bible has never been appreciated yet.

What is of God CANNOT CONTRADICT what God has already been known to say. And He flatly said NOTHING IS NEW UNDER THE SUN. It is only what He already stated that has not be clearly known or understood that may seem new to us. He flatly said this present covenant remaineth in contrast to the old that faded away. Any new doctrines you or anyone else proposes that are not in the bible I wholeheartedly reject without apology. No other foundation can any man lay than that which is laid -- CHRIST JESUS. All that can be built on Him is only an extension, but not an unrevealed nuance, of what is already laid.

So, I respectfully but strongly reject your words, seekerman.

This has nothing to do with freedom but a principle of whether or not God contradicts Himself by His own words.

The carpenter was the prophesied messiah! Scripture validated Him. He was what was already foretold for Him to be -- by Moses, the prophets and Psalms. What they thought was error was in fact clearly laid out int he law they stood upon, showing they never understood the law to begin with.

seekerman · #39 10-03-2011, 12:22 PM

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When the Old covenant was foretold to be "old" in Jeremiah, the prophet knew that covenant was fading.

So when the new covenant came, the old covenant witnessed with it. Now, the new covenant, our present covenant has no witness that it will be replaced with a following one. That means NOTHING NEW is coming in regards to doctrinal truth. And I go on record as wholly denouncing anything that says new truths not formerly revealed in regards to doctrine can be made known. The only actual new truths are really not new, but contained in scripture but not formerly known by us. So much in the bible has never been appreciated yet.

What is of God CANNOT CONTRADICT what God has already been known to say. And He flatly said NOTHING IS NEW UNDER THE SUN. It is only what He already stated that has not be clearly known or understood that may seem new to us. He flatly said this present covenant remaineth in contrast to the old that faded away. Any new doctrines you or anyone else proposes that are not in the bible I wholeheartedly reject without apology. No other foundation can any man lay than that which is laid -- CHRIST JESUS. All that can be built on Him is only an extension, but not an unrevealed nuance, of what is already laid.

So, I respectfully but strongly reject your words, seekerman.

This has nothing to do with freedom but a principle of whether or not God contradicts Himself by His own words.

The carpenter was the prophesied messiah! Scripture validated Him. He was what was already foretold for Him to be -- by Moses, the prophets and Psalms. What they thought was error was in fact clearly laid out int he law they stood upon, showing they never understood the law to begin with.

Ok. I'm sure a similar argument was presented by those who rejected the new spiritual paradigm which Jesus suddenly presented to a very small local area of the world.

mfblume · #40 10-03-2011, 12:35 PM

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Ok. I'm sure a similar argument was presented by those who rejected the new spiritual paradigm which Jesus suddenly presented to a very small local area of the world.

Who really cares what SOME think? It was is what was in the old testament or not.

There were some who misunderstood the old testament, obviously. But you are totally misconstruing the issue. The Old Testament foretold the New and Jesus flatly stated everything He was about was witnessed by law and prophets. It was really nothing new. That is a far cry from saying what WAS NOT in the Old Testament was what Jesus was all about as you are implying about opening up for something new.