Is this Apostolic? - Page 4

onefaith2 · #31 08-23-2011, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

Don't know anything about this "apostle" but that glowing purple carpet in that video has to be about the ugliest I have ever seen in a church!!! Good grief!!!!! Did they allow the blind ministry to interior decorate? LOL!!!!

This is Jerry Wayne Dillons church in Madison MS. Its not ugly, actually its a nice church. I went there for a little while.

RandyWayne · #32 08-23-2011, 10:42 PM

Why doesn't God ever heal the amputee? Why is it always the unseen back pain or (never verified) tumor?

Rev · #33 08-24-2011, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

This is "Prophet John Arcovio"...pretty big in the UPCI. Has some great books but seems to have kind of gone off the deep end as of late. idk

He fell off quite a while ago.

kclee4jc · #34 08-24-2011, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Why doesn't God ever heal the amputee? Why is it always the unseen back pain or (never verified) tumor?

We've had a few verified tumors healed. One young man just recently had and inoperable tumor on his lung and cancer else where in his body. He came and was Baptized in Jesus name and when he went back to the dr for a follow up the tumor on his lung was gone. He received treatment for the rest and is expecting a full recovery. Why didn't God take it all away? I dont know. But i certainly do believe God moved so that this young man who was not expected to live is now expecting to make a full recovery. I have seen enough genuine healings to know that God moves. If we will fast and pray and seek God, then we don't need fakery or showmanship!!!

Rev · #35 08-24-2011, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

We've had a few verified tumors healed. One young man just recently had and inoperable tumor on his lung and cancer else where in his body. He came and was Baptized in Jesus name and when he went back to the dr for a follow up the tumor on his lung was gone. He received treatment for the rest and is expecting a full recovery. Why didn't God take it all away? I dont know. But i certainly do believe God moved so that this young man who was not expected to live is now expecting to make a full recovery. I have seen enough genuine healings to know that God moves. If we will fast and pray and seek God, then we don't need fakery or showmanship!!!

Well said!

Aquila · #36 08-24-2011, 06:53 AM

I believe in healings and have seen one that I absolutely know was a divine healing. However, healings do not validate truth or a specific ministry. Satan's deceivers are most adept in "healing" and "miracles". I'm reminded of something Jesus said in Matthew....

Matthew 7:22-23
English Standard Version (ESV)
22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

Notice something... these false apostles will state that they performed:

Prophesy
Casting out of demons
Mighty works

Notice something about "mighty works"... the word for "works" here is "dunamis". It's translated according to Strongs as being:

1411 // dunamiv // dunamis // doo'-nam-is //

from 1410 ; TDNT - 2:284,186; n f

AV - power 77, mighty work 11, strength 7, miracle 7, might 4,
virtue 3, mighty 2, misc 9; 120

1) strength power, ability
1a) inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its
nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth
1b) power for performing miracles
1c) moral power and excellence of soul
1d) the power and influence which belong to riches and wealth
1e) power and resources arising from numbers
1f) power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, hosts

Notice that their "works" are the "miraculous"... or the sensational giftings. These, with their emphasis on miracles, lost out with the Lord because they failed to actually develop a personal relationship with the person of Jesus.

Miracles really aren't a focus of the Gospel. They are sometimes found in the wake of a move of God, but they are not to be in any way a focus. Churches and ministries that are built around miracles are seriously something to be cautious of (namely "faith healers"). Remember, not only does their focus on miracles often shipwreck the faith of hurting believers... but even if a miracle takes place... it doesn't mean that said ministry will truly benefit the soul. It all becomes Christian mysticism.

ThePastorsCoach · #37 08-24-2011, 07:33 AM

I hate to hurt all you doubters and unbelievers but MIRACLES HAPPEN TODAY! I have seen the blind eyes opened, deaf ears unstopped, tumors & growths disappear, backs straighted, limbs grow, hearts healed,the dead raised to life and many other miracles.
Your unbelief will not make the faith of God without effect - God forbid - let every man be a LIAR and let God be truth! Romans 3:3-4

Why get on this "Apostolic" Christian Forum and tear down the miraculous? You need a check up from the neck up!
MIRACLES HAPPEN TODAY!
The problem might be your DOUBT and UNBELIEF or where you go to Church! Where I go - we see Miracles and have testimonies of MIRACLES every service! Now - THAT'S APOSTOLIC!

Hoovie · #38 08-24-2011, 08:30 AM

For the record. I believe miracles do happen present day. I have no doubt that God is able - in fact I believe he created the earth.

Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:

RandyWayne · #39 08-24-2011, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

For the record. I believe miracles do happen present day. I have no doubt that God is able - in fact I believe he created the earth.

Or the ultimate miracle, the Creation of the Universe, otherwise known as the Big Bang.

RandyWayne · #40 08-24-2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

We've had a few verified tumors healed. One young man just recently had and inoperable tumor on his lung and cancer else where in his body. He came and was Baptized in Jesus name and when he went back to the dr for a follow up the tumor on his lung was gone. He received treatment for the rest and is expecting a full recovery. Why didn't God take it all away? I dont know. But i certainly do believe God moved so that this young man who was not expected to live is now expecting to make a full recovery. I have seen enough genuine healings to know that God moves. If we will fast and pray and seek God, then we don't need fakery or showmanship!!!

I'm actually agreeing with you -just being a bit sarcastic in my last post. I've seen the real deal (with doctor verification afterwards since I knew the people personally). I also know that in every case there was no shock & showmanship involved. There was no dancing at the alter because "my back pain disappeared!". It was all matter-of-fact. Oh yes, and the preacher was not a Peter Popoff clone.

And for those still on the "limb lengthening kick", I have some magical linking rings to show you. Sure, it may be trickery which causes them to link 98% of the time, but certainly God is responsible for the other 2%!