We are not baptized with the holy ghost and fire

[pelathais]

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I sat here and something just popped into my head about this issue. Fire, as many have said here, is a sign of the judgment of God, as well as a purifier. That purification is judgement on our lives now. It is a cleansing that we turn our face towards God and seek Him to work His holiness within our lives for His glory. So, if we are truly wanting the baptism of the Holy Ghost, it is also part of it that we receive the baptism of fire as well, that God through His Spirit purges and purifies His temple for His glory.

I would rather have the fire of Him down here that eternal fires in Hell.

Just my $0.02 worth on the issue.

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by Arphaxad

When John was speaking there were pharisees in the crowd too, that's why fire for some, spirit for others. In Acts 1:5 it was Jesus and the apostles, no mention of fire.

don't run off little doggie...read Acts chapter two..When the Holy Ghost came cloven tongues of fire sat upon the heads of each of them, and they were filled with the Holy Ghost and began to speak in unknown tongues...

Romans 12 :20 says you can heap coals of fire on your enemies head when you do good to him..and also in Proverbs 25:22 it says the same things..This means to me that when you do these things to them that hate you, that your faith in the promise will change your enemy to become your friend and companion in salvation..Our ignorance to this may explain why we have such confusion about this...The original Christians converted the whole of the Roman Empire without ever shedding the blood of their enemies...these same Christians today in heaven share the joy and pleasure over ever sinner that repenteth...Why????

because every soul saved today is a result of their faith in the Lord in their time...
And think about it..they killed no one..They are mentioned in Revelation 6:9-11 even before they became Christians ....and they are separate from those old goats in revelation 6:14-17

[kingdomapostle]

Originally Posted by riverslivnwtr

Not so, I don't believe, there were no unbelievers around when the Holy Ghost fell....the irrefutable evidence is and should be Christ in us...

today the level of the Word of God is not as deep in us as it was in them in Acts chapter 2...
the spirit and the Word are one...the level of the Word the amount of the spirit..

Not sure I follow your logic-- and this is also inclusive of the other post about the rhemas in you. Care to clarify?

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by kingdomapostle

Not sure I follow your logic-- and this is also inclusive of the other post about the rhemas in you. Care to clarify?

First let us consider who they were who first received..They were Jews. They, all of them, lived from childhood reciting the oral Torah or reading and obeying every commandment in it..They knew the Torah like lawyers today know the law of our constitution..So when the Holy Spirit fell on them it was more powerful because the Spirit and the Word agree..and where the Word of the Lord is there is power...

A rhema is the living word or the Word come to life. The law is the written Word..It is dead, because it kills, as it says the letter killeth but the spirit gives life..So when the Spirit of the Lord comes all that Word or letter called in greek (logos ) is quickened or made alive..

Now we read the bible seeking understanding, and like the Jews we are looking for the absolutes in order that we may live accordingly knowing that we shall fall or fail anyway.. hence the Holy Spirit is come to lead us and guide us into all the truth..So he makes alive the word to you line upon line and precept upon precept as in Isaiah 28 :9-13 , Psalms 16:6-7 is another where David says , the lines are fallen unto me in pleasant places.. Hebrews 8:10..God is says that he will write his laws into the hearts and minds of Israel ..This is taken from Jeremiah 31;31-34 says it is the new covenant that he will make with the house of Israel and the house of Judah....

This is not preached much anywhere no. It happened to me.. And oh how much I marvelled and wondered..They come from the Holy Ghost and they come in a way so that you know that it is him, and no mistake about it..It began in Thanksgiving of 91, and proceeded to be about once a month or three weeks or so , sometimes even two in a day like once this year in January.. Sometimes he does not say anything for more than a year..but I expect a total of 195 before it's over.. ..

because one of the lines was , "five times received I forty stripes less one of of the Jews ... ....

it is written The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him and he will show them his covenant....

and he said it would be line upon line and precept upon precept..

here is one of my favorites; he repeated it all day long until i realized he was talking to me...That thanksgiving week end;
"
"Sit thou at my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool"

Yes i looked around.... I said why are you saying that to me, that's Jesus'
but I remember what Jesus said of the Holy Spirit that he would take of mines and show that unto you...

so I needed a catcher then

[kingdomapostle]

Originally Posted by riverslivnwtr

First let us consider who they were who first received..They were Jews. They, all of them, lived from childhood reciting the oral Torah or reading and obeying every commandment in it..They knew the Torah like lawyers today know the law of our constitution..So when the Holy Spirit fell on them it was more powerful because the Spirit and the Word agree..and where the Word of the Lord is there is power...

A rhema is the living word or the Word come to life. The law is the written Word..It is dead, because it kills, as it says the letter killeth but the spirit gives life..So when the Spirit of the Lord comes all that Word or letter called in greek (logos ) is quickened or made alive..

Now we read the bible seeking understanding, and like the Jews we are looking for the absolutes in order that we may live accordingly knowing that we shall fall or fail anyway.. hence the Holy Spirit is come to lead us and guide us into all the truth..So he makes alive the word to you line upon line and precept upon precept as in Isaiah 28 :9-13 , Psalms 16:6-7 is another where David says , the lines are fallen unto me in pleasant places.. Hebrews 8:10..God is says that he will write his laws into the hearts and minds of Israel ..This is taken from Jeremiah 31;31-34 says it is the new covenant that he will make with the house of Israel and the house of Judah....

This is not preached much anywhere no. It happened to me.. And oh how much I marvelled and wondered..They come from the Holy Ghost and they come in a way so that you know that it is him, and no mistake about it..It began in Thanksgiving of 91, and proceeded to be about once a month or three weeks or so , sometimes even two in a day like once this year in January.. Sometimes he does not say anything for more than a year..but I expect a total of 195 before it's over.. ..

because one of the lines was , "five times received I forty stripes less one of of the Jews ... ....

it is written The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him and he will show them his covenant....

and he said it would be line upon line and precept upon precept..

here is one of my favorites; he repeated it all day long until i realized he was talking to me...That thanksgiving week end;
"
"Sit thou at my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool"

Yes i looked around.... I said why are you saying that to me, that's Jesus'
but I remember what Jesus said of the Holy Spirit that he would take of mines and show that unto you...

so I needed a catcher then

When I say this I mean it with the most love and respect I could give. You confuse me. It can't be that hard for me to "get." I don't consider myself to know it all (because nobody does) but I am filled, saved, been in church ALL my life, a student of Theology, and a preacher of the gospel...yet I still have NO CLUE of what you are talking about IN RELATION to the post.

Can someone help me. Seriously...not even trying to be funny or anything. Sincerely puzzled at what in the world you are talking about.

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by kingdomapostle

When I say this I mean it with the most love and respect I could give. You confuse me. It can't be that hard for me to "get." I don't consider myself to know it all (because nobody does) but I am filled, saved, been in church ALL my life, a student of Theology, and a preacher of the gospel...yet I still have NO CLUE of what you are talking about IN RELATION to the post.

Can someone help me. Seriously...not even trying to be funny or anything. Sincerely puzzled at what in the world you are talking about.

I told you in the beginning that it isn't even preached. but by few..

I try again..

God said in Jeremiah 31:31-34, That the new covenant he would make with the house of Israel and the house of Judah that he would write his laws in our hearts , and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, saying, know the Lord: for they shall all know me from the least of them unto the greatest of them.

Now what I was describing before was the writing of those laws in me, by the Holy Spirit...

I would also say that is would be fairly common among many Christians that they might only have one or two maybe not more than 10 quickened words in a life time..

He is the first I ever received and you should be able to understand my enthusiam for the Word of God ...John 15:7.. if you abide in me and my words abide in you you shall ask what you will and it shall be done unto you..That was in 1977 and I had forgotten it. the next year I was filled with the Holy Ghost..so the second Rhema in 91 was Psalm 119:49

It said, "remember the word unto they servant upon which thou has caused him to hope.."
Now that was the Holy Ghost trying to get me to remember John 15:7 from 14 years earlier..14 years ..
Now all the words or lines or stripes from God to me came from his mouth as it is written , "receive I pray thee , the law from his mouth and lay up his words in thine heart. Job 22 ;22 ....

yes he used that one to describe my responsibility to what he was doing..

These are what Jesus calls pearls..

actually I've never heard of anyone preaching on this..other than an absolute few and those teachers never let on that God would give so many rhemas

There is a Rhema Bible College in Okla.

A rhema is a quickened word...living word..

[kingdomapostle]

mmmkay...and I wont assume that you are laughing at my question even though the purple smileys you used are one smiley pointing at the other laughing.

Have a good day.

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by kingdomapostle

mmmkay...and I wont assume that you are laughing at my question even though the purple smileys you used are one smiley pointing at the other laughing.

Have a good day.

And you too...I love that smiley

guess you can say I'm a smiley freak

[Arphaxad]

[QUOTE=riverslivnwtr;1079714]don't run off little doggie...read Acts chapter two..When the Holy Ghost came cloven tongues of fire sat upon the heads of each of them, and they were filled with the Holy Ghost and began to speak in unknown tongues...

cloven tongues as of fire...