Baptism

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

...Thus Jesus said THEREFORE, of because of the fact that HE has all authority in heaven and earth (Phil 2 the highest name named in heaven and earth)...therefore go and make disciples of Christ by baptizing them in the name or authority of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and that is exactly what the Apostles did. That authority is in the name of Jesus...

yeppers

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by acerrak

but according to you oneness way of baptizing itsthe baptizer who is signing the check not the baptizee, so again nothing wrong with some one calling the name of Jesus over you, that however is not washing away your sins.

According to me the baptizer is baptizing the person "in the name of Jesus"...that is he is doing it in the authority of the one that died for us and gave us the authority to continue His messianic mission to preach the gospel to the lost and make people disciples of Jesus.

Since I didn't say it's washing away sins and since the issue was about authority, I don't see the point in what you are saying

again it is from the faith that is with in the baptizee, cause if this is the cas and another man besides christ is needed to mediate, how can one work out there own salvation with fear and trembling?

I never made a comment concerning that. My only comment was about the topic of authority and signing checks...doing something in the name of Jesus

again the greek supports 1st person calling upon the Lord, not a envoking over. Actually the greek is very sepcific in the calling on the name of ther Lord is upon ones own behalf.

I have no idea what this has to do with what I posted. The point I am making has to do with authority and name.

You say "the greek supports"...the greek of what? What verse? What word? I have no idea what you are talking about

so the Baptizee must be envoking the name, to make the baptism valid. we see this in a clear picture of Pauls baptism.

Again I have no idea what you are talking about. It's like you are responding to someone elses post but you quoted me

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

According to me the baptizer is baptizing the person "in the name of Jesus"...that is he is doing it in the authority of the one that died for us and gave us the authority to continue His messianic mission to preach the gospel to the lost and make people disciples of Jesus.

Since I didn't say it's washing away sins and since the issue was about authority, I don't see the point in what you are saying


I never made a comment concerning that. My only comment was about the topic of authority and signing checks...doing something in the name of Jesus


I have no idea what this has to do with what I posted. The point I am making has to do with authority and name.

You say "the greek supports"...the greek of what? What verse? What word? I have no idea what you are talking about


Again I have no idea what you are talking about. It's like you are responding to someone elses post but you quoted me

im not gonna re hash the baptism debate. i have done this enough on these forums time and time again, and that i should have copied and pasted it.

Im just pointing out that the words pronounced over you at your batpism isnt what washes away sin.

and im not sure what your talking about i thought i quoted and responded, so your not making since to me in that aspect.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by acerrak

im not gonna re hash the baptism debate. i have done this enough on these forums time and time again, and that i should have copied and pasted it.

Im just pointing out that the words pronounced over you at your batpism isnt what washes away sin.

and im not sure what your talking about i thought i quoted and responded, so your not making since to me in that aspect.

and I agree the words pronounced over you at baptism don't wash away sins.....in fact baptism does not wash away sins either.

Sins are forgiven by faith when we genuinely repent.

I never said a word about sins being washed away or anything else in your first post. I simply pointed out why the analogy of signing a check is a good analogy for using the name of jesus

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What notes? lol

The above makes no sense whatsoever. If what Jesus was doing was expanding on John's baptism then why baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Spirit if it's just John's baptism expanded on?

The context tells the truth. Jesus says "All Power is given to ME in heaven and earth"

The greek word there is exousia, meaning authority.

The greek word for name is onoma. It means "name" but as in the English language "name" carries the connotation of authority too. When you do something in someone's name you are doing it by their authority.

Thus Jesus said THEREFORE, of because of the fact that HE has all authority in heaven and earth (Phil 2 the highest name named in heaven and earth)...therefore go and make disciples of Christ by baptizing them in the name or authority of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and that is exactly what the Apostles did. That authority is in the name of Jesus

Php 2:9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,
Php 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Php 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

bump

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

and I agree the words pronounced over you at baptism don't wash away sins.....in fact baptism does not wash away sins either.

Sins are forgiven by faith when we genuinely repent.

I never said a word about sins being washed away or anything else in your first post. I simply pointed out why the analogy of signing a check is a good analogy for using the name of jesus

Nope were good we can stop here..

[Praxeas]

BTW my position is in agreement with the AOF of the UPC

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW my position is in agreement with the AOF of the UPC

awe you poor thing.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by acerrak

awe you poor thing.

Why would you say that? the AOF asserts the same thing I just said about when sins are forgiven.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

About a direct quote, we have the writer of Acts telling us how baptism was done. Notice that unlike in Acts 2:38 where Peter is giving a command, Acts 8:16 is not giving a command. It's a narrative of how the baptism was done

15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

The apostles did all things in the Name of Jesus Christ. They preached Jesus, talked Jesus, breathe Jesus, everything Jesus...

Philip preached concerning the NAME of Jesus Christ.
Acts 8:12
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ they were baptized, both men and women

The devil doesn't want people mentioning the Name above all names, so he gives them FSH.

You can't cast out devils in the name of Father, Son, HolyGhost
You can't heal the sick in the name of Father, Son, HolyGhost

Why baptize in the Name of FSH?

The traditional answer would be, because Jesus commanded it (Matthew 28:19). We do have a quote from Christ in this verse. We don't see the exact words spoken by those baptizing in the book of Acts. We simply know that baptism was performed according to the authority and command of Christ (in the name of Christ).