James Kilgore's Part in the 92 Affirmation Debacle - Page 4

ReformedDave · #31 04-05-2011, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Me too. I miss a lot of things and mostly, a lot of people.

But, I wouldn't trade anything for the truth of the Gospel and the sovereignty of Almighty God.

Apprehended · #32 04-05-2011, 12:38 AM

I too was in that meeting in '92.

It was the first business meeting that I attended since E.E. McNatt of Memphis made a big stink in a business meeting in Little Rock in 1957. It was so ugly that I had purposed to never attend another UPCI business meeting. I guess I forgot since I found myself in that side meeting room that afternoon.

I was shocked and appalled. I wrote an article about it entitled, "The Broken Reed of Egypt and the Rod of God." I have often spoken with Elder Kilgore about the events of that day. He has deep regrets regarding his part.

pelathais · #33 04-05-2011, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Pel, thanks for the details.

Now that a rather large segment of those opposed to the resolution have left, there still appears to be a lot of hesitation and lack of support of the affirmation statement. Most of the ministers I know feel like Chateau's superiors (no one believes it all" so just sign it. Or, they sign it and voice particular objections.)

What chance would there be in reversing this now, after 20 yrs?

Dunno. Slim to none right now... just my take. Maybe others have an opinion or a better view from where they're at.

*AQuietPlace* · #34 04-05-2011, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

But VERY painful......

DoubtingThomas · #35 04-05-2011, 07:16 AM

You have to wonder if JK had 1992 in his mind when he wrote this open letter to PP during the Divine Flesh controversy - saying he was sowing discord among the brethren and violating ministerial ethics regarding unity?

http://www.spiritualabuse.org/issues...on/kilgore.pdf

With the Westberg resolution as a backdrop, this letter seems to show Kilgore being fed up with the PP's of the world?

DoubtingThomas · #36 04-05-2011, 07:18 AM

Would we be shocked if it was revealed that JK Jr. voted against the Westberg resolution?

pelathais · #37 04-05-2011, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DoubtingThomas

You have to wonder if JK had 1992 in his mind when he wrote this open letter to PP during the Divine Flesh controversy - saying he was sowing discord among the brethren and violating ministerial ethics regarding unity?

http://www.spiritualabuse.org/issues...on/kilgore.pdf

With the Westberg resolution as a backdrop, this letter seems to show Kilgore being fed up with the PP's of the world?

Dunno. He certainly has every right to be, though one would also hope that the "PP's of the world" might have received a little instruction from this letter dated 2003, and that no one is necessarily "fed up" with anyone else today.

... oh, but just look at how they gnash and tear at JK Jr. Jesus Christ needs to be the focus of what we do. Jesus Christ and His work on the cross must be at the center of our theology or we will never overcome the hurdles that have limited our growth and development.

POWERUP · #38 04-05-2011, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

The affirmation is now "signed" every other year by clicking one button on a computer screen. Also, I know of virtually no ministers who agree with everything in the fundamental doctrine and holiness sections of the manual. There are thousands of nonconformists clicking that little button without really considering the consequences.

A few years ago I spoke to my presbyter as well as my District Superintendent and told them I could no longer sign it in good conscience. They both said to sign it anyway because it's understood that no one agrees with everything in the manual.

The very reason Im not part of the UPC anymore!!! Lot of good folks still
in it............ Also a lot of Pansies in it also.......... I would like to say
something else.......... But I'll refrain.........

POWERUP · #39 04-05-2011, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Pel, thanks for the details.

Now that a rather large segment of those opposed to the resolution have left, there still appears to be a lot of hesitation and lack of support of the affirmation statement. Most of the ministers I know feel like Chateau's superiors (no one believes it all" so just sign it. Or, they sign it and voice particular objections.)

What chance would there be in reversing this now, after 20 yrs?

Not a snowballs chance!!! Especially here in Ms............ But who am I...

Maybe a few of those who don't believe it..... They just sign it...... Man
some folks just don't have the guts!!!!

onefaith2 · #40 04-05-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Me too. I miss a lot of things and mostly, a lot of people.

But, I wouldn't trade anything for the truth of the Gospel and the sovereignty of Almighty God.

Gentlemen I understand your point of view but must humbly proclaim that I understand the Soveriegnty of ALmighty God quite well within the org and also the truth of the gospel. I haven't always been this way, perhaps you were so this is coming from a different perspective of one who had almost decided to leave, but was led to stay.