Former Apostolic Ministers Allegedly Murder Woman. - Page 4

berkeley · #31 04-01-2011, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

That is absoultely horrifying. What a terrible tragedy. "Apostolic ministers", what has that 3 step, speak in tongues doctrine done to change someones life-nothing. tongues speakers can be just a svile as the world. We need a real relationship with Jesus Christ, and it doesn't come by tongues. BTW I'm not trying to hijack this thread with the initial evidence doctrine, but my point is people like this, literally murderers can minister in "apostolic" churches largely because apostolics have such a tendancy to equate that with redemption, and it has nothing to do with redemption, and because of that, now great shame is upon the church, and much worse and unnecessary damage has been done to a family, and it didn't have to be this way.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I want to speak in Jason's defense.

I don't think Jason's point was to use this to slam the 3 step doctrine. Jason's point is, 3 step or not, one needs a REAL relationship with Jesus Christ.

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Originally Posted by BERKELEY

Jason slammed the 3 step doctrine before emphasising the REAL relationship with Jesus Christ.

That doesn't come by spiritual giftings, sacraments, dress codes, etc. What every believer NEEDS is a real, living, and breathing relationship with Jesus. If these people could do such a thing... we should beware, all of us are capable of untold evil. Our "religion" isn't want changes us... only Jesus. Only a deep and loving relationship with Jesus can save the human soul and keep us from such sin.

I don't think anyone, 3 step or not, would disagree with this.

In the mean time, let's keep this family and community in prayer.

You were saying???

berkeley · #32 04-01-2011, 10:31 AM

Let's forget about the distraction caused by the kissing cousins (Jason and Aquila) and let's pray for those affected by this.

Scott Hutchinson · #33 04-01-2011, 10:33 AM

How tragic this is.

Falla39 · #34 04-01-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

And the world tells us "Just follow your heart".

But the Word tells us "This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the
lust of the flesh". Gal. 5:16
Which report are we going to believe!

Falla39

Ev. Duane Williams · #35 04-01-2011, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Ordained by whom? What was the church association where the event was held?

Out of embarrassment, I'm not going to say. It's not one of the Big Ones, I can tell you that.

Theophil · #36 04-01-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

I guess you've got a point there Theophil. Just let your hair grow out and no one will ever find out.

???????? I don't know what this means, Ev. Duane Williams.

onefaith2 · #37 04-01-2011, 04:24 PM

Jason very dispicable. The 3 step plan changed my life and thousands of others I've met because they had a real relationship with Christ in that three step doctrine. Amazing.

This poor family, victims of backslidden professing believers who happen to speak in tongues and be baptized in Jesus name. Perhaps this family entertained the WRONG spirit in their conclusion. May God have mercy on all of them and help this family find peace in Jesus name. Think of the children also!

Jason B · #38 04-01-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Jason that is asinine. What these people did had nothing to do with doctrine. People of all doctrinal flavors have gone bad and done bad things

That was my point. For years all I've heard is how "we got it, and everyone else is going to hell" but in reality there are just as many news stories where "apostolics" commit heinous acts as other people.

Jason B · #39 04-01-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I want to speak in Jason's defense.

I don't think Jason's point was to use this to slam the 3 step doctrine. Jason's point is, 3 step or not, one needs a REAL relationship with Jesus Christ. That doesn't come by spiritual giftings, sacraments, dress codes, etc. What every believer NEEDS is a real, living, and breathing relationship with Jesus. If these people could do such a thing... we should beware, all of us are capable of untold evil. Our "religion" isn't want changes us... only Jesus. Only a deep and loving relationship with Jesus can save the human soul and keep us from such sin.

I don't think anyone, 3 step or not, would disagree with this.

In the mean time, let's keep this family and community in prayer.

Exactly Chris. Thank you. OPs can become so judgmental on everyone else over an "experience" but the facts continually show that this experience doess not translate into "real" Christianity.

onefaith2 · #40 04-01-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Exactly Chris. Thank you. OPs can become so judgmental on everyone else over an "experience" but the facts continually show that this experience doess not translate into "real" Christianity.

Really? Another bias' judgement that OPism can't produce real Christians. Sad when the entire first church had this experience, I guess they weren't real Christians either?

Talking about judgementalism. DO you realize what you just said, or do you need to reword?