A.A. Allen

[Praxeas]

Bro Strange knew him I think

[UnTraditional]

Originally Posted by pelathais

As I said before, my grandfather and his family knew him. I did not. And, I never heard my grandfather say a word about "alcohol" in relation to A.A. Allen or any other preacher for that matter. I learned about Bro. Allen's alcoholism from the official records of his death and autopsy.

Autopsies can be forged and stories can be made up. This would not be the first time something like this happened, and it will not be the last. As AB said, the world hates the ministry, and even some 'believers' hate the ministry, especially when the ministry does not fit into what their mold says. God uses whom He wants how He wants.

AA Allen was a man of faith and God used him mightily. I will leave it as that. The nonsense, the attacks on his person, the hatred against him, I simply ignore. Stories and lies like this should be ignored in the light of how the Lord did use the man.

[PASTOR'S WIFE]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

Autopsies can be forged and stories can be made up. This would not be the first time something like this happened, and it will not be the last. As AB said, the world hates the ministry, and even some 'believers' hate the ministry, especially when the ministry does not fit into what their mold says. God uses whom He wants how He wants.

AA Allen was a man of faith and God used him mightily. I will leave it as that. The nonsense, the attacks on his person, the hatred against him, I simply ignore. Stories and lies like this should be ignored in the light of how the Lord did use the man.

I had read somewhere that his autopsy was forged as you just said. My husband was saved in Bro. Allen's meeting back in 1962 in Jacksonville, Fl. He was a Lutheren, took catachism (sp) and confirmed. His grandparents who were Pentecostal came to visit his family and begged him to take them to the revival. God touched him and he got saved. Nobody says anything bad about Bro. Allen to him. After we were married we went to Tampa to hear him and after the service, we went to a little restaurant and of all places, there was Bro. Allen sitting there eating a hamburger. God definitely used the man and most Pentecostal (A/G, Holiness, Church of God, Oneness, Trinity) were jealous of his ministry and tried to discredit him. He was God's Man of Faith and Power. (that was one of his introductions).

[UnTraditional]

Originally Posted by PASTOR'S WIFE

I had read somewhere that his autopsy was forged as you just said. My husband was saved in Bro. Allen's meeting back in 1962 in Jacksonville, Fl. He was a Lutheren, took catachism (sp) and confirmed. His grandparents who were Pentecostal came to visit his family and begged him to take them to the revival. God touched him and he got saved. Nobody says anything bad about Bro. Allen to him. After we were married we went to Tampa to hear him and after the service, we went to a little restaurant and of all places, there was Bro. Allen sitting there eating a hamburger. God definitely used the man and most Pentecostal (A/G, Holiness, Church of God, Oneness, Trinity) were jealous of his ministry and tried to discredit him. He was God's Man of Faith and Power. (that was one of his introductions).

The world mocks and scorns Pentecostal preachers and believers. They laugh when we speak in tongues, and mock when we say we believe in the supernatural. They lie worse than a Texas politican when it comes to the lives of believers. I sat yesterday and listened to Bro. Allen on YouTube, and his messages were powerful. If I was under a spirit of religion, I would have been very scared of a man like AA Allen.

We need men of faith and power like this today, with a powerful rhema on their lips and a true move of the Holy Ghost in their heart. I saw in the videos the miraculous take place and my faith was moved tremendously.

I'll leave the haters alone. They want more of control than having the Holy Ghost move as He sees fit.

[Apprehended]

I knew Allen quite well. I worked with him for a while. I can attest to the truth of his genuine love for people and his intense desire to see the power of God working on behalf of the lost, the sick, the diseased, the oppressed and possessed and down trodden. I first became acquainted with him about 1954 in his great New Orleans crusade. He shook the city and many people came out of Catholicism and filled up Pentecostal churches of all stripes. I knew some of those people who remained faithful to God until their deaths.

I've been in many, many Allen Miracles Crusades and never knew him to have indulged in alcohol or any ungodly vice. I am sure that these rumors are false, perpetuated by those who could not control or influence him.

Truly, he was God's man of faith and power. I stood within just inches away as God worked the most wonderful miracles as I watched with my own eyes. I've seen almost every miracle that you can think of in the lives, hearts and bodies of people who attended his meetings.

However, I did see a change in Allen from the first time I first met him. He took on a showmanship disposition and started calling himself and his platform workers as "stars." His dress took on a change also...from that of a very conservative appearance in dress to bright colors and flash. I was disappointed in that.

Some time in the early 1960s he began preaching the "prosperity" message. I bought one of his books entitled, "Send Now, Prosperity." I never approved of the way that the message was presented. I was also disappointed in that.

Still, God used him in a mighty way. I have watched demons started manifesting themselves when he walked out on the platform. I never knew anyone who the power over the devil to cast them out as he did. He was truly a man of great faith.

I would never disparage the man by accusing him of something that I did not have any evidence of him doing. The San Francisco Coroner recorded his death as something other than what has been widely reported. He did not die from "acute alcoholism" as his enemies would have you to believe. He had a liver condition that attributed to his death from which some concluded that it had to be from alcohol since he had been charged with drunk driving in Tenn in the early 1950s shortly after breaking away from the Assemblies of God. This was never proven. I heard Kent Rogers tell how that he and Allen was poisoned by something that they had eaten, only to learn many years later, by a confession that someone had spiked their food which induced their condition. I am not surprised nor would I doubt it since I am personally acquainted how deadly religious politics can be and often are.

I would advise everyone to not take up a rumor without personal evidence against a man of God unless you want to face that in judgment.

[canam]

Interesting accounts from some,i was only reporting what i had heard many many years ago, 2 or 3 points, my head tells me that chemically dependent people can hide their dependency from even their closest friends ,i wont bother to go into any examples,however, i also know what happened in my town when the apostolic church first arrived and started having success, showing people in the catholic church(the town was heavily french catholic)the truth and all hell broke loose, with the local priests even showing up and disturbing our services, in addition to that he was in a town that i suppose even then might have been a gay haven.So i can see where, very easily this could have been forged by someone seeking revenge or some extra money from someone.

[ReformedDave]

It seems that no amount of proof will satisfy if one's mind is made up. There is no indication that the coroner lied in the autopsy report. It is true until proven false.

The controversy surrounding A A Allen is well documented and his stage magic tricks are pure grade 'B'. He specialized in the slight-of-mind of his audience.

[UnTraditional]

I am sorry for those who do not believe in the miraculous, who sides with the slanderers, who choose attack instead of faith. Such people are people I no longer associate with. Seen too much miraculous in my life, and I have seen the supernatural. What Allen did was not slight of hand, but was the miraculous power of God at work.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

It seems that no amount of proof will satisfy if one's mind is made up. There is no indication that the coroner lied in the autopsy report. It is true until proven false.

The controversy surrounding A A Allen is well documented and his stage magic tricks are pure grade 'B'. He specialized in the slight-of-mind of his audience.

For goodness' sakes, you're reformed, Dave. Your whole movement is against these things, period -- genuine or not. (At least I think that is what the reformed movement claims).

I have prayed for people and cast out devils as Allen did, and I suppose someone is saying I am using slight-of-mind, too. But I genuinely believe it is God and the actual supernatural at work.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by mfblume

For goodness' sakes, you're reformed, Dave. Your whole movement is against these things, period -- genuine or not. (At least I think that is what the reformed movement claims).

I have prayed for people and cast out devils as Allen did, and I suppose someone is saying I am using slight-of-mind, too. But I genuinely believe it is God and the actual supernatural at work.

Mike, the leg lengthening trick is the oldest slight-of-mind trick in the book. It's absolutely false. Anyone can do it. Allen preyed upon the non-discerning. If he would use that trick to fool his audience what other lies did he tell!

As to his demise, until anyone proves that the autopsy report was false you have no rational reason to believe otherwise.

I believe that God heals I just don't believe He uses a side-show to do it.