**preacher forums**

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by bishoph

You know, I read this and I cannot understand why some paint with such a broad brush. I am a member of three different "preacher only" forums, and (while I admit I am not in the inner circle of any group) I have never seen what you describe here. (the bolded)

What I have seen is men who have fallen (at least those that I have heard about) have been removed from the forums, and while no-one specifically calls out their name and castigates them publicly, I have never seen anyone liberal/con who excused the sin or tried to minimize the sinfulness of it.

I guess some people are not satisfied unless every name of every failed minister is openly named and publicly castigated......so much for charity. (And I am not suggesting covering sin as in allowing it for my friends, family etc)

Good post!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by bishoph

You know, I read this and I cannot understand why some paint with such a broad brush. I am a member of three different "preacher only" forums, and (while I admit I am not in the inner circle of any group) I have never seen what you describe here. (the bolded)

What I have seen is men who have fallen (at least those that I have heard about) have been removed from the forums, and while no-one specifically calls out their name and castigates them publicly, I have never seen anyone liberal/con who excused the sin or tried to minimize the sinfulness of it.

I guess some people are not satisfied unless every name of every failed minister is openly named and publicly castigated......so much for charity. (And I am not suggesting covering sin as in allowing it for my friends, family etc)

Did you ever see a minister named for not preaching standards anymore?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It's amazing the sexual innuendos that they engage in yet rail against a woman for trimming her hair?

straining out a gnat but swallowing a camel?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Absolutely not, not now, not ever. I would never belong to a "preacher-only" anything.

Oh, did they reject your application for membership?

Just kidding.

I just can't picture you being part of a group like that.
You are too independent in your thinking and too honest to go along with that kind of stuff.

I've never even tried to be a part of it.
That's just not who or what I am.

P.S. I preached this past Sunday for a pastor who is a strong three-stepper and there was no problem. He knows what I believe and I don't make an issue out of it.

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Did you ever see a minister named for not preaching standards anymore?

Short answer....Yes.

Long answer: The accusation was that men are "ferreted out" for holiness non-conformity. I take that to mean that members of said forums are "outed" if they do not hold to the accepted norms of the holiness police so to speak. And quite frankly I have not seen that.

Often men who hold differing views "out" themselves, and then sometimes heated discussions follow. However, with the exception of a very conservative forum, (and even there it was after many months of discussion) I have never seen anyone kicked out over standards. Now doctrinal issues (non standards) is another story. (And again IMHO if a forum has a stated doctrinal creed if you will, I think it is fine to require conformity on those stated matters.)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Short answer....Yes.

Long answer: The accusation was that men are "ferreted out" for holiness non-conformity. I take that to mean that members of said forums are "outed" if they do not hold to the accepted norms of the holiness police so to speak. And quite frankly I have not seen that.

Often men who hold differing views "out" themselves, and then sometimes heated discussions follow. However, with the exception of a very conservative forum, (and even there it was after many months of discussion) I have never seen anyone kicked out over standards. Now doctrinal issues (non standards) is another story. (And again IMHO if a forum has a stated doctrinal creed if you will, I think it is fine to require conformity on those stated matters.)

But is it "ok" to name some UPC pastor, not even a forum member, and speculate and accuse him of being of being weak on standards while NOT doing the same regarding a UPC pastor that committed adultery on their sin of adultery? Is non-comformity to standards somehow worse than adultery?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

... Is non-comformity to standards somehow worse than adultery?

yes, adultery is a venial sin
and
not preaching standards is mortal sin.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

I don't like this thread and would rather Admin to delete it. It is not serving a good purpose and is giving occasion to unholy conjecture against men of God.

Admin?

I agree! Also, it is full of flat out lies!

[Ron]

Originally Posted by bishoph

You know, I read this and I cannot understand why some paint with such a broad brush. I am a member of three different "preacher only" forums, and (while I admit I am not in the inner circle of any group) I have never seen what you describe here. (the bolded)

What I have seen is men who have fallen (at least those that I have heard about) have been removed from the forums, and while no-one specifically calls out their name and castigates them publicly, I have never seen anyone liberal/con who excused the sin or tried to minimize the sinfulness of it.

I guess some people are not satisfied unless every name of every failed minister is openly named and publicly castigated......so much for charity. (And I am not suggesting covering sin as in allowing it for my friends, family etc)

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Ron

I agree! Also, it is full of flat out lies!

Are you a member of the forum that Charnock has in mind?