A Relevant Holiness Message

[jediwill83]

getting a message across....look the guy wont win and congeniality contests I know but I've heard some very good messages he has preached.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

getting a message across....look the guy wont win and congeniality contests I know but I've heard some very good messages he has preached.

Fair enough.......I guess I've been around so much of the "cliche" preaching and the yelling, pumping up emotion......but, rarely have seen lasting changes in people's lives because of "preaching" like this........brings an immediate reaction, but usually not a lasting change.

That's just my experience, tho.....and stuff like this usually offends more than it edifies....

[Rob McKee]

Thank you for watching our services Dan.
In response to your "nonsense video"
* That wasn't me shouting...that was one of our ministers. Apparently, you think we look alike...lucky guy.
* LOL...the preacher I was referencing isn't on AFF.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Rob McKee

Thank you for watching our services Dan.
In response to your "nonsense video"
* That wasn't me shouting...that was one of our ministers. Apparently, you think we look alike...lucky guy.
* LOL...the preacher I was referencing isn't on AFF.

Thank you for not addressing any of the poignant issues brought up in this viral video, Robert ...

BTW, The messages were referred to me ... you'd be surprised who gave me the heads up.

That's not you jumping up and down behind Poe? What were you doing as your church and leaders worshiped to James Brown after you clearly taught them to not incorporate evil with good the week before while slamming another peer? Is God still a jealous God?

The verdict is still out on who you were targeting (lol?) .... your thoughts on Cheech and Chong?

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Rob McKee

Thank you for watching our services Dan.
In response to your "nonsense video"
* That wasn't me shouting...that was one of our ministers. Apparently, you think we look alike...lucky guy.
* LOL...the preacher I was referencing isn't on AFF.

Hey Rob, I'm just curious bro. Is there a difference in what the preacher you condemned did and what took place in your pulpit one week later? I mean really, watch the two clips back to back objectively. Is there not a glaring contradiction?

I mean really man, I've used modern songs to illustrate a point--I sang most of Midnight Rider by Greg Almond in my "What's Driving You" series on the topic of Complacency. I had a car cut up the middle and I sat behind the wheel looking like I was singing to the radio. I sang the song until the line, "I've gone by the point of caring." That sermon was very effective that day and lives were changed for the kingdom.

In your sermon you shot a cannon at a preacher for doing something simular, and then the next week James Brown spirit hit your platform....

So, is there a difference? Can you explain this? Did you correct yourself or GP to your church who now have a negative opinion against someone they don't know or against someone they might hear that did the same thing? is there a difference?

Rob G

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by DAII

Thank you for not addressing any of the poignant issues brought up in the video, Robert ...

BTW, The messages were referred to me ... you'd be surprised who gave me the heads up.

That's not you jumping up and down behind Poe? What were you doing as your church and leaders worshiped to James Brown after you clearly taught them to not incorporate evil with good the week before? Is God still a jealous God?

The verdict is still out on who you were targeting .... your thoughts on Cheech and Chong?

I'm with you on this one Dan. For the sake of all of us getting it right, is there a contradiction here or not? Shoot, watch the two clips back to back and it's a glaring contradiction.

So how does one fix this? That is the true issue here. It's called "righteousness". Yep, jump up and down on the "Holiness" bandwagon but what about "righteousness?"

[MissBrattified]

The point here should be the contradiction. Criticizing one preacher for being "relevant" while allowing a conservative preacher to use "cultural references" the following week.

I wonder how GP would feel if he read this thread and saw that RM's only response was to point out that HE wasn't the one shouting? LOL!!!! Really? What does that mean? That RM wasn't shouting or praising God during the sermon with everyone else? Bottom line, you show support for what comes across your pulpit by default when you allow someone to minister there.



What isn't (or shouldn't be) the point of this video is an intense critique of GP. There are a lot of preachers who are rough around the edges, or even crude, and while it isn't my cup of tea, they are effective in some venues with some people. It's okay with me, in the sense that I think God can and does use people who are imperfect or who lack oratorical skills. What works in one church and one area of the country may not work elsewhere, so posting a *viral video* of something intended for a smaller group of people isn't exactly a fair representation of an event. I thought his whole delivery was comedic, and intended that way. It wasn't tasteful, but it wasn't, well, awful. Except for the reference to Bro. Ewing.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

The point here should be the contradiction. Criticizing one preacher for being "relevant" while allowing a conservative preacher to use "cultural references" the following week.

I wonder how GP would feel if he read this thread and saw that RM's only response was to point out that HE wasn't the one shouting? LOL!!!! Really? What does that mean? That RM wasn't shouting or praising God during the sermon with everyone else? Bottom line, you show support for what comes across your pulpit by default when you allow someone to minister there.



What isn't (or shouldn't be) the point of this video is an intense critique of GP. There are a lot of preachers who are rough around the edges, or even crude, and while it isn't my cup of tea, they are effective in some venues with some people. It's okay with me, in the sense that I think God can and does use people who are imperfect or who lack oratorical skills. What works in one church and one area of the country may not work elsewhere, so posting a *viral video* of something intended for a smaller group of people isn't exactly a fair representation of an event. I thought his whole delivery was comedic, and intended that way. It wasn't tasteful, but it wasn't, well, awful. Except for the reference to Bro. Ewing.

To me the point IS the contradiction. I like your post!

Will RM now condemn (from his pulpit) the actions of GP in the same manner he condemned the internet preacher and will he discipline his musicians, pastoral team members, and saints for participating in this use of pagan tools in a worship service?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

To me the point IS the contradiction. I like your post!

Will RM now condemn (from his pulpit) the actions of GP in the same manner he condemned the internet preacher and will he discipline his musicians, pastoral team members, and saints for participating in this use of pagan tools in a worship service?

I'm thinking...Nah.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

To me the point IS the contradiction. I like your post!

Will RM now condemn (from his pulpit) the actions of GP in the same manner he condemned the internet preacher and will he discipline his musicians, pastoral team members, and saints for participating in this use of pagan tools in a worship service?

Herein lies the very real frustrations believers experience within this paradigm ... how does one ever measure up when the rules change from week to week, person to person while inculcating God's ways never change and one is one heartbeat away from eternal condemnation if you miss something on the checklist ....