World Changers

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

...On another front, Dispinsational teaching, teaches that man life on earth is aproxemently 8 thousand years. 5 thousand years to the time of Christ, 2thousand years to the end time with a thousand years millinial reign. From this point of view dispinsationalist must change thier teaching as they have run out of time. As they have changed thier teaching over the last 40 years. After so many times of crying wolf this line of reasoning will no longer hold any weight as people will stop listening.

Actually, Bro. S.G. Norris and Bishop G.T. Haywood taught that each "day of creation" was 7000 years and we are living in the 6th day or man's day. My pastor, F.E. Curts, taught that also. This was broken down to 4000 years from Adam to Christ; 2000 years from the birth of Christ to the second coming of Christ to the earth; and 1000 years of God's Kingdom rule on earth known as the millennium. All three of these men are dead now. I remember talking with my wife years ago about this and saying, "Well, if Jesus doesn't come to rapture us before then, we will most likely be around when the year 2000 comes and we'll see how accurate this teaching is."

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Sam

Actually, Bro. S.G. Norris and Bishop G.T. Haywood taught that each "day of creation" was 7000 years and we are living in the 6th day or man's day. My pastor, F.E. Curts, taught that also. This was broken down to 4000 years from Adam to Christ; 2000 years from the birth of Christ to the second coming of Christ to the earth; and 1000 years of God's Kingdom rule on earth known as the millennium. All three of these men are dead now. I remember talking with my wife years ago about this and saying, "Well, if Jesus doesn't come to rapture us before then, we will most likely be around when the year 2000 comes and we'll see how accurate this teaching is."

Sam I was taught that too only with one differance that each days of creation was 1000 years bringing a total of 7000 years. From Adam to the silent years was 3500 years bringing the time to 4000 years at the time of Christ. (I mistated the time frame) in my last post. Still the message is the same we have past 2000 years bringing us to the time of the millennial reign if the teaching of dispisational teaching is right. What can we do? I just read a study on the subject of first fruits. Concerning the resurection and how Jesus and the saints that were resurected after Christ were the first fruits of the resurection. And how we no longer will see a physical resurection as Christ resurected the rest of the dead at his comming in 70ad and now we which are alive and remain will be caught up to meet him when we leave this life. It was an interesting study, of course as I see things from this point of view it only strengthens my thoughts.

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Art

You say from Daniel to Revelation these things are discribed, please provide scripture passages as I was raised with this teaching but have not been able to find the scripture passages that teach this in the context you are bringing out. What I mean is that it seems we read into these passeges more than what is there. Maybe I am missing something.

As for the day of the Lord comming, what greater sin could the world commit than crucifing the Lord of heaven, of which God brought judgment upon those people when he destroyed thier holy city Jerusalem in 70ad? During that time just the atrociaties that came upon those in Jerusalem during the 3and a half years of seige have been unparalled women eating thier own children, even bird poop was being eaten and desired as food.

the sin of all mankind put Jesus on the cross. The Jews served as the high priests, and offered Jesus , the lamb without spot or blemish ; ..then followed the abomination.. the Jews left the city their job was done..of course they didn't see it that way..They returned to draw all nations there ...it's really going to be a happy ending..

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by riverslivnwtr

the sin of all mankind put Jesus on the cross.

Not necessaraly true, God lay down his life for us. 1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

The Jews served as the high priests, and offered Jesus , the lamb without spot or blemish ;

Yes and Jesus warned them what was going to come to those that did this deed. Matt. 23-24 should they not repent. Not one of those that accepted the new birth were lost when Jerusalem fell only those that had not repented.

..then followed the abomination.. the Jews left the city their job was done..of course they didn't see it that way..

Actualy it was not the Jews that left their city only the children of Abraham (the Christians) The Jews those of the natural seed that did not accept the gospel and repent while given a full generation to were destroyed with thier city.

They returned to draw all nations there ...it's really going to be a happy ending..

Who returned the children of Satan those seed that Christ called hipocrites in his day? Paul tells us that the seed of Abraham are those that accept the gospel of Christ. Those that are Jews by birth are just that any more, just another nationality. And if they do not receive the gospel because we have the frame of mind that God will come and save them in the end, God will hold thier blood on our hands for not reaching out to them. they must come to God the same way as any one else.

I ask this question, in what way would the Jewish nation show God that they have returned to him? By building a new Temple? and offering up blood sacrifices?

God will never dwell in temples made by hands again, further why would he accept a blood sacrifice that could not, even when it was required, pay the price for sin. Especicaly in the face of the price he paid for our sin when he laid down his life for our sin? Is not that spitting in the face of God?

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Not necessaraly true, God lay down his life for us. 1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.



Yes and Jesus warned them what was going to come to those that did this deed. Matt. 23-24 should they not repent. Not one of those that accepted the new birth were lost when Jerusalem fell only those that had not repented.



Actualy it was not the Jews that left their city only the children of Abraham (the Christians) The Jews those of the natural seed that did not accept the gospel and repent while given a full generation to were destroyed with thier city.



Who returned the children of Satan those seed that Christ called hipocrites in his day? Paul tells us that the seed of Abraham are those that accept the gospel of Christ. Those that are Jews by birth are just that any more, just another nationality. And if they do not receive the gospel because we have the frame of mind that God will come and save them in the end, God will hold thier blood on our hands for not reaching out to them. they must come to God the same way as any one else.

I ask this question, in what way would the Jewish nation show God that they have returned to him? By building a new Temple? and offering up blood sacrifices?

God will never dwell in temples made by hands again, further why would he accept a blood sacrifice that could not, even when it was required, pay the price for sin. Especicaly in the face of the price he paid for our sin when he laid down his life for our sin? Is not that spitting in the face of God?

Are you saying all the Jews died in the city were killed? Then who were they who were scattered into what is described as the Disporia..

Well, considering how they have had their literal and symbolic heads battered by that which was supposed to be called Christian...it's a wonder anytime any of them accept Jesus..but if you want to see them on the Jesus train, then turn their enemies first , the Muslims...
I mean just when the Jews thought they were gonna have a little peace from the Christuns, then the Muslims start to act up soon as they resettle in what was called palestine..but is the land of israel..

now they are in for a real fight if Iran does not fall to Christianity..