Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The D.A.'s Office
Facebook

Notices

The D.A.'s Office The views expressed in this forum are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of AFF or the Admin of AFF.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 11-01-2010, 01:30 PM
Timmy's Avatar
Timmy Timmy is offline
Don't ask.


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,212
Re: Why did Lot offer his daughters who ...??

Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisp View Post
That was always the part of the story that struck me the most. Lot offered up his 2 virgin daughters to a crowd of men to do with as they wanted. That is unthinkable to me.
Oh, that's just your "western mindset" at work.
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty

More New Stuff in Timmy Talk!
My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
Why am I not surprised?
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 11-01-2010, 02:43 PM
Twisp's Avatar
Twisp Twisp is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,754
Re: Why did Lot offer his daughters who ...??

Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
Oh, that's just your "western mindset" at work.
Darn me, lol.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 12-09-2010, 05:07 AM
Walks_in_islam Walks_in_islam is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,961
Re: Why did Lot offer his daughters who ...??

What about Abraham was righteous?

....and there Abraham said of his wife Sarah, “She is my sister.” Then Abimelech king of Gerar sent for Sarah and took her.

Because:

...they will kill me because of my wife.’ Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father

And again in Egypt:

...When the Egyptians see you, they will say, ‘This is his wife.’ Then they will kill me but will let you live. Say you are my sister, so that I will be treated well for your sake and my life will be spared because of you.”

When Abram came to Egypt, the Egyptians saw that she was a very beautiful woman. And when Pharaoh’s officials saw her, they praised her to Pharaoh, and she was taken into his palace


Act of a righteous man?

Quote:
Originally Posted by missourimary View Post
What amazes me is that Lot was called righteous in 2 Peter 2:7-8.
He:
fought with Abraham, who had helped him.
lived in Sodom.
offered two virgin daughters. (my perspective on the original question)
married his other daughters to some of the men standing outside his door that night.
didn't want to leave the city.
slept with his daughters.
And apparently took all this in stride.

What about Lot was righteous?


My personal opinion on the original questions has been that Lot had several daughters. Two were still virgins, living at home. Any others were married to men of the city. He may or may not have tried to get other daughters and sons to come out, but he did try to get the two virgin daughters' fiancés to join them in leaving. That is mentioned because it tied directly into their reasoning later.

Gen 19:12Meanwhile, the angels questioned Lot. “Do you have any other relatives here in the city?” they asked. “Get them out of this place—your sons-in-law, sons, daughters, or anyone else. 13For we are about to destroy this city completely. The outcry against this place is so great it has reached the Lord, and he has sent us to destroy it.”
14So Lot rushed out to tell his daughters’ fiancés, “Quick, get out of the city! The Lord is about to destroy it.” But the young men thought he was only joking.
15At dawn the next morning the angels became insistent. “Hurry,” they said to Lot. “Take your wife and your two daughters who are here. Get out right now, or you will be swept away in the destruction of the city!”
...
30Afterward Lot left Zoar because he was afraid of the people there, and he went to live in a cave in the mountains with his two daughters. 31One day the older daughter said to her sister, “There are no men left anywhere in this entire area, so we can’t get married like everyone else. And our father will soon be too old to have children.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 12-09-2010, 09:49 AM
Thinker's Avatar
Thinker Thinker is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Migrate around the Mid West, from Michigan - Indiana
Posts: 231
Re: Why did Lot offer his daughters who ...??

I would say act of a human man. That is made righteous through Gods daily mercy and grace.
__________________
I have been a lot of places and seen a lot of things in the world of Christian followers.. I just have a few questions, CAN I THINK OUT LOUD?

Last edited by Thinker; 12-09-2010 at 09:53 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 12-09-2010, 10:27 AM
crakjak's Avatar
crakjak crakjak is offline
crakjak


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: dallas area
Posts: 7,605
Re: Why did Lot offer his daughters who ...??

The law of of OT was given to show how sinful man was and how desperately he needed a redeemer and savior. Seems it was doing its purpose very well.

Fallen human nature is continually focused on evil as the references in this post reflect. Lot was simply living out the culture that devalued women. This was exceedingly sad, yet none the less very common, and not considered unusual in that context.
__________________
For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)


www.tentmaker.org
www.coventryreserve.org
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 12-09-2010, 10:28 AM
crakjak's Avatar
crakjak crakjak is offline
crakjak


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: dallas area
Posts: 7,605
Re: Why did Lot offer his daughters who ...??

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thinker View Post
I would say act of a human man. That is made righteous through Gods daily mercy and grace.
As we all are.
__________________
For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)


www.tentmaker.org
www.coventryreserve.org
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 12-09-2010, 10:34 AM
Thinker's Avatar
Thinker Thinker is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Migrate around the Mid West, from Michigan - Indiana
Posts: 231
Re: Why did Lot offer his daughters who ...??

Quote:
Originally Posted by crakjak View Post
As we all are.





By the way: what does walks in islam mean?
__________________
I have been a lot of places and seen a lot of things in the world of Christian followers.. I just have a few questions, CAN I THINK OUT LOUD?
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 12-09-2010, 11:01 AM
Socialite Socialite is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,280
Re: Why did Lot offer his daughters who ...??

Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified View Post
I think it's possible that Lot lied - or it's possible that it should have been translated as his future son-in-laws.

Either way, we know he got rid of those SIL's, didn't he? To his own demise....
That wouldn't have been the first time in his story where we saw that pattern

Lying or not, this store is up there with one of the most disturbing in the Bible.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 12-09-2010, 11:03 AM
Socialite Socialite is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,280
Re: Why did Lot offer his daughters who ...??

Quote:
Originally Posted by Berkley View Post
I'm with you on this... he had more daughters.
Unfounded by the Text. A possibility though...
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 12-09-2010, 11:06 AM
Socialite Socialite is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,280
Re: Why did Lot offer his daughters who ...??

Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified View Post
Really!!!

Talk about the father of the year!!! Lot's entire life illustrated that he was spoiled and self-absorbed.

His daughters followed his example and used him to accomplish their own selfish goals.
Lot definitely doesn't give or provide a good model of how a believer can "live in Babylon" and "seek the peace of the city." His is an example of how sinful, and distrustful to God his heart grew. What's amazing to me about the story is that he errored in such a sinful way in the context of God's angels coming to warn him about judgment on the City -- and that God was going to spare him! It's not the grace part that gets me, it's that, even in the presence of good men, Lot did not feel checked about his actions.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Letter from Bush Daughters to Obama Daughters TalkLady Political Talk 5 01-23-2009 08:57 PM
Job Offer Rhoni Fellowship Hall 12 05-22-2008 07:41 AM
Job offer please pray Trouvere Prayer Closet 20 07-28-2007 07:30 PM
Reward offer of $3,000 Revelationist Fellowship Hall 45 04-07-2007 10:23 PM
New Offer From Direct TV Cotton Mather The Shopping Mall 2 03-29-2007 07:14 AM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by jfrog
- by Salome
- by Amanah

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.