Trinity and Oneness in The Church?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Salvation has nothing to do with trinity or oneness.

agree

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

So the age-old question....

What about the mom in the remote part of the earth who raised her children with great care and supported her family with every ounce of strength she ever had. She went to her grave having never heard the name of Christ.

So the question is, will she burn in the flames of hell forever?

According to the teaching of
Bishop G.T. Haywood,
S.G. Norris of the Apostolic Bible Institute
Clyde Haney of Western Apostolic Bible College
the answer to that would be "no" as long as she walked in all the light she had.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Romans 1 deals with God's personal revelation to all people through creation, it also talks about the Gentiles knowing God, but decidely rejecting Him and slipping further and further into idolatry. However even in a pagan soceity one can discern God by cration and conscience if they are truly searching for Him. Furthermore God knows the hearts of all, and he is able to reveal himself to the heathen, as in the case of Abraham. (Of course the Arbraham argument is not directly mentioned in Romans 1, but it is an example of God revealing himself to a pagan).

Anyway Romans 2 continues on the thought of Romans 1 and talks about the Gentiles [pagans] being a law unto themselves, and thus being judged accordingly.

I do believe that whatever judgment God gives will be just in all cases. I'll let Him judge according to his perfect knowledge, and I will continue to uphold the revelation that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world, and there is no salvation in any other.

How can Jesus the Christ can be savior of the world when the vast majority of mankind from creation to the present have never heard of Jesus the Christ?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Romans 1 deals with God's personal revelation to all people through creation, it also talks about the Gentiles knowing God, but decidely rejecting Him and slipping further and further into idolatry. However even in a pagan soceity one can discern God by cration and conscience if they are truly searching for Him. Furthermore God knows the hearts of all, and he is able to reveal himself to the heathen, as in the case of Abraham. (Of course the Arbraham argument is not directly mentioned in Romans 1, but it is an example of God revealing himself to a pagan).

Anyway Romans 2 continues on the thought of Romans 1 and talks about the Gentiles [pagans] being a law unto themselves, and thus being judged accordingly.

I do believe that whatever judgment God gives will be just in all cases. I'll let Him judge according to his perfect knowledge, and I will continue to uphold the revelation that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world, and there is no salvation in any other.

I'm not sure everyone would see Romans 1 & 2 addressing those issues directly, however let me ask you this....are you saying there's a chance, then, that since God's judgment will be just, that some who do not know Christ will not be in hell?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Sam

According to the teaching of
Bishop G.T. Haywood,
S.G. Norris of the Apostolic Bible Institute
Clyde Haney of Western Apostolic Bible College
the answer to that would be "no" as long as she walked in all the light she had.

And what if the light she had was Islam?

[Jack Shephard]

IF the light was Islam God will be the judge. I will just fine and happy that when I make it to heaven and there are some Muslims and others there that will be just fine with me.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Yes, I believe that the church, The Body of Christ, is made up of both trinity and oneness believers but isn't limited to only those folks. The body of Christ is also made up of folks who didn't even know there was a Christ.

Now you're talking way beyond most on this forum!! And I agree.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by seekerman

How can Jesus the Christ can be savior of the world when the vast majority of mankind from creation to the present have never heard of Jesus the Christ?

I Tim. 4:10, it is about what Jesus did, not all the doctrines of men.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

And what if the light she had was Islam?

It is not Islam nor Christianity that saves the world, these are all doctrines defined by man. It is He that created world, He has taken responsibility for that creation. It is He that has saved the world, that salvation is not yet complete in our "time", but it is in HIS.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

And what if the light she had was Islam?

I can't answer that question from God's standpoint because I don't know that woman's heart like God does.

When Paul went to Athens (Acts 17:15-34, probably August AD 50) it is reported that his spirit was stirred within him when he saw the whole city given to idolatry. He went to the synagogue as was his custom since he was a Rabbi and could teach there. He also talked to people in the market/agora. His message in the agora was twofold --Iesous and anastasia (Jesus and the resurrection). Some thought he was teaching a new male and female deity. He was brought to the Areopagus or Mars Hill, a large rock 370 feet high NW of Athens to investigate these "new gods" that Paul seemed to be preaching. Paul had seen altars and monuments to many gods all around him in the city. He even saw one to "the unknown god" (agnosto theo) and he took that as his text. He told them that they were very superstitious/religious and that he was going to tell them about that unknown god they were worshipping. He began there and quoted a few of their poets. They weren't Jews with Scriptures so he couldn't start there. He explained that they didn't realize it but they were worshipping the one true God as "the unknown god." He went on to explain that this unknown god was the creator of all; He didn't need us to carry Him around and feed Him because He was the giver of life and breath; that He is everywhere present all around us; that He made all humankind from one blood; that we are to seek Him; that since we are His offspring He would look like us -not like some kind of an animal; that He had given us freedom but now it was time to seek Him because He was going to raise all humankind from the dead and judge them just like He had raised His son from the dead.

Well, it is my understanding that Paul believed those folks were actually worshiping the one true God as the unknown god. If that was true back then, would it be too great a stretch to say that if a person was taught that there is only one God and His name is Allah, and that person was trying to worship the one true God instead of idols or many gods, the person was really worshiping the one true God in ignorance?