The Mosque Should Be Built!

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Very glad you, at least, understand that. Now go and study about Sharia and why it is a grave and dangerous threat to us.


Islamic jihad will always remain a much graver threat than the mafia.



I think that if they file as a non-profit, they have to disclose. We will see how they handle this.

Before you continue beating your drum and throwing streamers in the air for this mosque to be built. You need to know what the ramifications entail for the future.

My thinking is that under our Constitution, we cannot stop it, but I will not stand by and advocate the building of it either.

And it's the constitution that MUST rule. When personal dislikes dictate what can and cannot be built, we are in HUGE trouble!

Do I like Sharia? Of course not. But guess what...a lot of Mormons don't like what Christians do. A lot of baptists don't like what pentecostals do. A lot of agnostics and/or atheists don't like what any religious group does. How long before they have personal dislike and the church that your pastor wants to build gets rejected BASED on established precedent? SO much of law works around PRECEDENT. When someone rejects your group because they don't like you and cites PRECEDENT, then we've got a BIG problem.

[Walks_in_islam]

I will comment briefly here. It is the opinion of many (Muslims) that the approach to this project hurt Islam overall, (not "radical" Islam but Islam that the average Muslim family practices and lives by) and as such and for that reason the mosque should not be built.

All over the country Mosques / community centers have been quietly built that have been assets to the communities - with clinics, food banks, legal aid centers, and other community resources available. This is the purpose of a Mosque. Not so this one. This one has become a challenge to and an insult to the local community and as such the purpose has become twisted into something other than what a place of worship should stand for or be built for.

The mosque should not be built not because government or agencies should or should not have a say into what religious groups build their places of worship, but it should not be built because it leaves the appearance that the base underlying reason for building it is to simply make a statement, not to be an asset to the community. Rather than an asset this Mosque at this location will stand as an insult. This is not what is right.

Do not make the mistake of believing that all or even most Muslims support these types of in your face activities. Much discussion has taken place over here on this issue and the consensus is that out of nothing other than respect for the community this should not take place.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Indeed.

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Excellent point and something we should consider. The damage that China could do to us financially, would pale in comparison to what radical muslims could ever do with violence. And it's subtle...no bombs, no noise. No one notices.

Semi-command economies always work—until they do not. When they do not, they fall apart fast.

So look for Japan to once again become the world’s second largest economy. China has too many problems—and far too few good policies—to sustain its upward trajectory.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...estic-product/

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I will comment briefly here. It is the opinion of many (Muslims) that the approach to this project hurt Islam overall, (not "radical" Islam but Islam that the average Muslim family practices and lives by) and as such and for that reason the mosque should not be built.

All over the country Mosques / community centers have been quietly built that have been assets to the communities - with clinics, food banks, legal aid centers, and other community resources available. This is the purpose of a Mosque. Not so this one. This one has become a challenge to and an insult to the local community and as such the purpose has become twisted into something other than what a place of worship should stand for or be built for.

The mosque should not be built not because government or agencies should or should not have a say into what religious groups build their places of worship, but it should not be built because it leaves the appearance that the base underlying reason for building it is to simply make a statement, not to be an asset to the community. Rather than an asset this Mosque at this location will stand as an insult. This is not what is right.

Do not make the mistake of believing that all or even most Muslims support these types of in your face activities. Much discussion has taken place over here on this issue and the consensus is that out of nothing other than respect for the community this should not take place.

Good post. I agree!

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I will comment briefly here. It is the opinion of many (Muslims) that the approach to this project hurt Islam overall, (not "radical" Islam but Islam that the average Muslim family practices and lives by) and as such and for that reason the mosque should not be built.

All over the country Mosques / community centers have been quietly built that have been assets to the communities - with clinics, food banks, legal aid centers, and other community resources available. This is the purpose of a Mosque. Not so this one. This one has become a challenge to and an insult to the local community and as such the purpose has become twisted into something other than what a place of worship should stand for or be built for.

The mosque should not be built not because government or agencies should or should not have a say into what religious groups build their places of worship, but it should not be built because it leaves the appearance that the base underlying reason for building it is to simply make a statement, not to be an asset to the community. Rather than an asset this Mosque at this location will stand as an insult. This is not what is right.

Do not make the mistake of believing that all or even most Muslims support these types of in your face activities. Much discussion has taken place over here on this issue and the consensus is that out of nothing other than respect for the community this should not take place.

So simple. Yes the motive is what is off the mark.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Freedom of religion is Freedom of religion. That really is the bottom line. If right-wingers are successful in stopping the building of this mosque, it will come back to bite them in the butt. Hard.

When the door is opened to preventing the building of a place of worship on moral grounds, it will only be a short amount of time until Christian houses of worship are prohibited based on moral grounds.

The last thing in this world you people REALLY want is for the mosque to be banned from the vicinity of Ground Zero.

"Freedom of Religion" doesn't just mean, "Freedom of MY Religion."

This post is the Bottom Line! There's nothing to stop the ban of further Faith's, even Christian Faith, if we don't allow Freedom of Religion.

Another thing; there are peaceful Muslims and peaceful Christians. And, there are radical Christians (KKK, Skinheads, ect) and there are radical Muslims.

I worked with a Muslim man for years, and we are still great friends.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I will comment briefly here. It is the opinion of many (Muslims) that the approach to this project hurt Islam overall, (not "radical" Islam but Islam that the average Muslim family practices and lives by) and as such and for that reason the mosque should not be built.

All over the country Mosques / community centers have been quietly built that have been assets to the communities - with clinics, food banks, legal aid centers, and other community resources available. This is the purpose of a Mosque. Not so this one. This one has become a challenge to and an insult to the local community and as such the purpose has become twisted into something other than what a place of worship should stand for or be built for.

The mosque should not be built not because government or agencies should or should not have a say into what religious groups build their places of worship, but it should not be built because it leaves the appearance that the base underlying reason for building it is to simply make a statement, not to be an asset to the community. Rather than an asset this Mosque at this location will stand as an insult. This is not what is right.

Do not make the mistake of believing that all or even most Muslims support these types of in your face activities. Much discussion has taken place over here on this issue and the consensus is that out of nothing other than respect for the community this should not take place.

I've been hoping to see what you'd have to say about this and your words make perfect sense coming from your side of the aisle. I don't disagree with anything you say and if I were in your shoes, I may very well have a better platform to speak on the issue.

However, the precedent that would be established by a rejection of this project could potentially be fatal to one of the core values on which this country was built.

And there are actually some conspiracy theorists who believe they don't really want this mosque built but want to be rejected so the precedent can be used against Christian churches. That may be way out there, but it would be an interesting strategy, huh?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

This post is the Bottom Line! There's nothing to stop the ban of further Faith's, even Christian Faith, if we don't allow Freedom of Religion.

Another thing; there are peaceful Muslims and peaceful Christians. And, there are radical Christians (KKK, Skinheads, ect) and there are radical Muslims.

I worked with a Muslim man for years, and we are still great friends.

There is zero evidence of banning the faith. It is just the location. People are trying to paint arguments that are not in this Ground zero Kerfluffle.

I had an Cambridge grad engineer employee years ago. He was nearly a neighbor for 20 years. His Dad was at an attorney general level in India. he sees this as nonsense. It is just done to send a message.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I will comment briefly here. It is the opinion of many (Muslims) that the approach to this project hurt Islam overall, (not "radical" Islam but Islam that the average Muslim family practices and lives by) and as such and for that reason the mosque should not be built.

All over the country Mosques / community centers have been quietly built that have been assets to the communities - with clinics, food banks, legal aid centers, and other community resources available. This is the purpose of a Mosque. Not so this one. This one has become a challenge to and an insult to the local community and as such the purpose has become twisted into something other than what a place of worship should stand for or be built for.

The mosque should not be built not because government or agencies should or should not have a say into what religious groups build their places of worship, but it should not be built because it leaves the appearance that the base underlying reason for building it is to simply make a statement, not to be an asset to the community. Rather than an asset this Mosque at this location will stand as an insult. This is not what is right.

Do not make the mistake of believing that all or even most Muslims support these types of in your face activities. Much discussion has taken place over here on this issue and the consensus is that out of nothing other than respect for the community this should not take place.

Great post.

And if this decision was made it would probably be a wise one to make.

But it is theirs to make. Not mine.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

And it's the constitution that MUST rule. When personal dislikes dictate what can and cannot be built, we are in HUGE trouble!

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The constitution doesn't speak to this issue. It is clear in no way is the Government trying to form a religion.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent."
The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:

"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet? "

I can't park my motorhome on the Whitehouse lawn either. They say they would find it offensive.