Worship Casualties: Who speaks for the injured?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Esther

Is this the voice of experience speaking? If it hasn't happened to me it doesn't happen?

It hasn't happened to anyone. I never happened nor was mentioned in the bible and it isn't an actual event. That's as simple as it can get. Any who experience this are psychologically vulnerable and have been overcome by the "Power of Suggestion."

If being "Slain in the Spirit" (and it's hard for me to type that without gagging) is authentic, then so are the activities of radical charismatics who wear diapers because they can't control their bodily functions when under the "Power of the Spirit" or those who have laughing hyena fits, or those who "Vomit in the Spirit" and the list can go on and on and on. There is no scripture to support any of it and if any of it is legitimate, then it all becomes legitimate.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Go to a Baptist church and the worse thing that could happen is that you hit your head on the pew in front of you while falling asleep.

Not if you truly love the Word of God. I guess for those that are shallow, survive only on worked-up emotion, and think that God no longer communicates with a "Still small voice" a fundamentally sound Baptist church may not work for them.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by notofworks

It hasn't happened to anyone. I never happened nor was mentioned in the bible and it isn't an actual event. That's as simple as it can get. Any who experience this are psychologically vulnerable and have been overcome by the "Power of Suggestion."

If being "Slain in the Spirit" (and it's hard for me to type that without gagging) is authentic, then so are the activities of radical charismatics who wear diapers because they can't control their bodily functions when under the "Power of the Spirit" or those who have laughing hyena fits, or those who "Vomit in the Spirit" and the list can go on and on and on. There is no scripture to support any of it and if any of it is legitimate, then it all becomes legitimate.

I want to agree with this post but you go a bit further than I am comfortable with.

1 I n spite of the vulnerability one may be subjected to, I would not totally rule an experience with God out.

2 The incidence of diapers and vomit are not accepted by any significant percentage of the Pentecostal/Charismatic circles.

[Hoovie]

As a side note, my kids LOVE Baptist Bible School! Nnext week they have two unchurched signed up to go with them.

[On The Wheel]

I saw one teenage girl "shouting/dancing" and her high heel got stuck in the hem of the girl next to her. The hem and the heel held. The waistband of the girl's dress did not.

They were on the front row, so the whole church (about 500) got a show they did not pay to see, as the unfortunate victim had to gather her skirt from the floor if front of the crowd.

God was in it, I just know it.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I want to agree with this post but you go a bit further than I am comfortable with.

1 I n spite of the vulnerability one may be subjected to, I would not totally rule an experience with God out.

2 The incidence of diapers and vomit are not accepted by any significant percentage of the Pentecostal/Charismatic circles.

I understand I'm pushing the envelope here, especially with the "gagging" remark. But I left it there because I'd like to say something loud enough so that people may want to talk about it. The reality is, having someone, basically, simulate fainting, is very dangerous. And to blame that on God is completely irresponsible. And the fundamental truth is, there is nothing remotely CLOSE to this happening in the bible.

Yet, it's a part of nearly every pentecostal circle, in fact, I don't know of a pentecostal church that would speak out against it.

You're right..."pooping and vomiting in the Spirit" isn't endorsed by most in the pentecostal culture. But would you eliminate tongues based on the same criteria? It's not endorsed by the major majority of the Christian culture? Furthermore, if something is a common spiritual activity within the church, don't you think there should be some biblical precedent for it?

I've had people TRY to "slay me in the Spirit." I could give you the name of a fellow who pushed me so hard on the forehead, it hurt my back resisting. But I'm sorry, I'm not buying it.

[easter]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I understand I'm pushing the envelope here, especially with the "gagging" remark. But I left it there because I'd like to say something loud enough so that people may want to talk about it. The reality is, having someone, basically, simulate fainting, is very dangerous. And to blame that on God is completely irresponsible. And the fundamental truth is, there is nothing remotely CLOSE to this happening in the bible.

Yet, it's a part of nearly every pentecostal circle, in fact, I don't know of a pentecostal church that would speak out against it.

You're right..."pooping and vomiting in the Spirit" isn't endorsed by most in the pentecostal culture. But would you eliminate tongues based on the same criteria? It's not endorsed by the major majority of the Christian culture? Furthermore, if something is a common spiritual activity within the church, don't you think there should be some biblical precedent for it?

I've had people TRY to "slay me in the Spirit." I could give you the name of a fellow who pushed me so hard on the forehead, it hurt my back resisting. But I'm sorry, I'm not buying it.

I agree with you on this.People will feed off one another but at the same time there is a true experience of the Holy Spirit and I think maybe if the Holy Spirit comes on a person and we see some things that we know are not of God it's because what your seeing is not of God but what we do see is the human reaction in the flesh that reacts sometimes in a way that can be bizarre.I've never fallen over or a preacher has never tried to push me down.Don't really know how my reaction would be to that.To be honest I don't believe I would fall over because I am deep rooted as a Baptist so the preacher would probley have to drag me out of the pew.
I do know tongues are real because I have witnessed first hand from folks that I do know who are genuine Christians and so that is why one must have discernment and knowledge in knowing that when the Holy Spirit comes over a person it is the person's reaction to this that you are seeing and confusing this action with the Holy Spirit and his presence which can cause one to scoff at such things because of the actions from other people and how other people might react to the presence of the Holy Spirit.Not everyone reacts the same but the reaction you see is how the flesh (Person) reacts .Does this make sense because it makes perfect sense to me.

[Isaiah]

[QUOTE=Mirth1981;921071]I've never seen anyone get seriously hurt during the frenzied worship stuff before, although have seen people get bumped into quite a few times. I imagine the church's insurance would be held responsible since it would be considered an injury on church grounds?

It seems ridiculous that our "worship" would be so out of control that it causes physical harm to people. I don't see how that glorifies God at all. People need to be careful.

I agree physical harm should not occur for the Word of God does plainly state that, "And the spirit of the prophets are subject to the prophets" (1Corinthians 14:32). But also understand that I love to worship and praise God in Spirit and dance and do quiet often, as it overwhelms me However I am also aware of those around me as to not hurt them

[Sam]

Originally Posted by notofworks

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I've had people TRY to "slay me in the Spirit." I could give you the name of a fellow who pushed me so hard on the forehead, it hurt my back resisting. But I'm sorry, I'm not buying it.

I don't like to be pushed.

A while back I was in a prayer meeting and a visiting minister prayed for each of us. There were maybe 20 people there. I was the only one who did not hit the floor. As he pushed me back I stepped back to retain my balance. He acted a little uncomfortable about it but didn't say anything negative about me.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by easter

I agree with you on this.People will feed off one another but at the same time there is a true experience of the Holy Spirit and I think maybe if the Holy Spirit comes on a person and we see some things that we know are not of God it's because what your seeing is not of God but what we do see is the human reaction in the flesh that reacts sometimes in a way that can be bizarre.I've never fallen over or a preacher has never tried to push me down.Don't really know how my reaction would be to that.To be honest I don't believe I would fall over because I am deep rooted as a Baptist so the preacher would probley have to drag me out of the pew.
I do know tongues are real because I have witnessed first hand from folks that I do know who are genuine Christians and so that is why one must have discernment and knowledge in knowing that when the Holy Spirit comes over a person it is the person's reaction to this that you are seeing and confusing this action with the Holy Spirit and his presence which can cause one to scoff at such things because of the actions from other people and how other people might react to the presence of the Holy Spirit.Not everyone reacts the same but the reaction you see is how the flesh (Person) reacts .Does this make sense because it makes perfect sense to me.

It may make logical sense in the realm of pentecostalism, but it just doesn't jive with scripture. There isn't one single instance in the New Testament of any of this happening. And...if we give credibility of people "Falling Out" we then have to lend credibility to all of it...the maniacal, frenzied "shouting" where people get hurt, the idiotic "running the aisles", and even people wearing diapers because they're unable to control themselves when under the influence of the Holy Spirit. I can't imagine that there's one single person on AFF who would lend credibility to "Pooping in the Spirit", but I would contend that it's every bit as scriptural as "Shouting" and "Being slain in the Spirit. This is truly an area of...if one is ok, it's all ok.

But scripture gives us the clear guideline...it says we MUST do things decently and orderly. NO ONE could say, with a straight face, that this idiotic "Shouting" to the point that people get hurt or highly embarrassed is "Decent" or "In order." No way.