Can Someone be "Apostolic" and Deny Christ is God?

[Nina]

And Michelle, Your post a few months back concerning Your sadness at the possibility of a less than God Jesus, touched me. We are kindred spirits.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Nina

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am (he), ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24


I believe that a Jesus who is any less than God cannot atone for the sins of the world.

Amen! Did you vote?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Nina

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am (he), ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24


I believe that a Jesus who is any less than God cannot atone for the sins of the world.

Belief that Jesus is the I AM of Exodus 3:14 would mean belief that Jesus is the YHWH of Exodus 3:14 and Exodus 6:3. Both trinitarians and oneness believe that Jesus is YHWH or Jehovah or the I AM of the Old Covenant.

[Nina]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Amen! Did you vote?

I didn't.
I know some who post here, who most would say are apostolic, don't believe in His deity, therefore couldn't be considered Christian.
It's essential to Faith, I believe.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Nina

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am (he), ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24


I believe that a Jesus who is any less than God cannot atone for the sins of the world.

I'm curious. Where does the bible show that Jesus needed to be God in order to atone for sins?

[Nina]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I'm curious. Where does the bible show that Jesus needed to be God in order to atone for sins?

The better question is, where in the Bible does it say that corrupt, human blood could be the atonement?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Nina

The better question is, where in the Bible does it say that corrupt, human blood could be the atonement?

Who said he had to be God in order for his blood to not be corrupt?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Nina

The better question is, where in the Bible does it say that corrupt, human blood could be the atonement?

For many centuries, the blood of animals sufficed.

[ForeverBlessed]

Originally Posted by Sam

Well, Isaiah 9:6 says that the child who is born is the Son who is given and He's also the Mighty God and the Everlasting Father.

And the Holy Spirit is called "Christ in you" (Colossians 1:27); "the Spirit of Jesus Christ" (Philippians 1:19); "the Spirit of Jesus" (Acts 16:7); "the Spirit of the Lord" (2 Corinthians 3:17); and Jesus did say that He was the Comforter who was with them but would also be the Comforter in them (John 14:16-18)

So, isn't Jesus the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost?

Actually it is the "name" in Isaiah 9:6....he came in his Father's name. John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: so...Isaiah says and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

It is the Spirit that is God... the Spirit manifested itself through Jesus Christ and the same Spirit continues to manifest itself through his people or sons of God today.

Back to the subject of the thread... really don't care if I am traditional Apostolic anyway.... actually prefer not to be associated, so it doesn't matter.

However, my belief is that Jesus was God by the Spirit that dwelt and manifested through him... but I do not believe the physical body was God.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Sam

Belief that Jesus is the I AM of Exodus 3:14 would mean belief that Jesus is the YHWH of Exodus 3:14 and Exodus 6:3. Both trinitarians and oneness believe that Jesus is YHWH or Jehovah or the I AM of the Old Covenant.

They do? Trinitarians believe Jesus is YHWH?