Apo.Emergent Changers Catering to "WORLDLINGS" ...

[DAII]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Having attended Pentecostal services all of my life I was unaware that there was ever any "form and order to the services."

Organized chaos?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

You know, I'm not going to take the time to critique this article, because I'm not terribly offended by it.

Just a thought: Sarah did a persuasive essay a couple of weeks ago, and she chose to write about hip-hop lyrics, and how they possibly encourage aggressive, immoral & criminal behavior, in addition to being degrading to women and encouraging disrespect toward women.

I did not shape her outcome beforehand, and allowed her to do deep research, including reading lyrics and watching videos that would normally be off limits. It was carefully supervised for her protection, but she was exposed to some content that she found shocking. We ended up diverging into heavy metal and "horror-core", in addition to hip-hop and rap.

ANYway, in the midst of the research, we came across a study where a researcher had placed 30 boys in three rooms, 10 in each room. (Secular researcher, secular college) She had foosball tables set up in each room. In the first room, the boys played with no music. In the second, there was music playing, but no lyrics. And in the third, there was the same music playing, but with the lyrics. (If I recall correctly, it was heavy metal) Their observations were that in the first room, the behavior was normal, but in the 2nd and 3rd, it was more aggressive and loud. Since the behavior in rooms 2 and 3 were similar, she concluded that it was the music itself that prompted the change in behavior, and not necessarily the lyrics.

We also read a report in one of our science magazines about different sounds being used to calm monkeys, and also get them to behave aggressively or anxiously. The inference was that humans would be affected similarly. We watched a show on the History channel awhile back that showed how drum rhythms were used to bring people into a sort of emotional frenzy during ancient tribal rituals and celebrations.

And, of course, as an Apostolic musician, I KNOW that music can and has been used to manipulate the emotional tone in a church service.

I said all that to say: There is some merit to the idea that certain types of sounds, including in the form of "music" has a direct effect on human behavior. So while older ministers may articulate that point differently, they weren't entirely wrong.

Correct. I dont believe anything goes. I just feel the article mentioned is full of holes in its reasoning.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I think the elderly Preacher has a really good point.


Seriously.



In our efforts to appeal to our generation, we have to appeal to them in a way that allows "room" for the Holy Spirit to move.

I don't think there is anything wrong with holy music that encourages worship and praise.


Would we want to lose the atmosphere that encourages dancing in the Spirit, running the aisles, leaping up and down to the Glory of God?

Some make fun of that stuff and say that it is not real in the first place. For some, maybe it is not. For others it is very real.


I for one, love Hillsongs, Newsboys, and Toby Mac. However, Hillsongs produces music that is 1,000 times more "worship" oriented than Toby Mac.


I wish my church would utilize more of a Shirley Caesar style in some of our music because her music encourages praise. I realize that this will not happen, ever.

But I sure would not want to go to the point of strobe lights and blazing guitars for our services. I wouldn't want to go anywhere near that for our services.

Is that preferrence? Maybe, but I think there is much more to it than that.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

But I sure would not want to go to the point of strobe lights and blazing guitars for our services.

But, really, is this a wide-spread practice?

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

But, really, is this a wide-spread practice?

Most churches can barely keep up the skilled manpower to have a decent soundroom. Fewer can support a complex lighting and video operation. I can count the number of churches that seriously invest in a killer lighting system on one hand... and half of those are evangelical or baptist.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

Most churches can barely keep up the skilled manpower to have a decent soundroom. Fewer can support a complex lighting and video operation. I can count the number of churches that seriously invest in a killer lighting system on one hand... and half of those are evangelical or baptist.

Just imagine your church entrance having one of these screens on the ceiling!


This in the parking lot. (You gotta wow the visitors!)


And a little of this during the sermon.

[Praxeas]

I remember LS preaching once and mentioned going to another pastors church to preach. When he got there outside the church was piled up all these railings and stuff. He asked the pastor what all this was and he replied it was his alter. He said he was getting rid of it so they can have revival....what a progressive thinker he was and LS approved.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

Most churches can barely keep up the skilled manpower to have a decent soundroom. Fewer can support a complex lighting and video operation. I can count the number of churches that seriously invest in a killer lighting system on one hand... and half of those are evangelical or baptist.

I want to get a serious lighting system and also video cams. But the lighting mostly for two reasons, one for when we have specials like skits and two so we can have directional lighting and our projector screen will not be washed out with light from the fluorescents

But sadly lighting is too much and we have a decent sound system but we need to get new speakers and we have no money for that either

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Just imagine your church entrance having one of these screens on the ceiling!


This in the parking lot. (You gotta wow the visitors!)


And a little of this during the sermon.

I'm there!

I'm one of those "heavy metal NOISE" makers, but most of the older people at our Church like my shredding.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I remember LS preaching once and mentioned going to another pastors church to preach. When he got there outside the church was piled up all these railings and stuff. He asked the pastor what all this was and he replied it was his alter. He said he was getting rid of it so they can have revival....what a progressive thinker he was and LS approved.

That kind of altar with railings creates a separation between the platform and the pews. It's a very real physical barrier. Opening it up and making the entire front of the church "the altar" probably had some beneficial effects on his desired revival.