Why am I labeled backslid and unusable by God

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by 192281

Its just sad to me..
I havent changed one thing about myself or said one harsh word about them, I just visited a church and it got out I am thinking about leaving. What will happen if I ever do leave. Also its sad because I think what if this happens to someone who cant handle the bashing..what will become of them.

You shouldn't continue to ponder. You just saw what they were made of. GET OUT while you can.

The hooded cultists won't make it easy and send you away in love. They will pressure you, humiliate you, and guilt you with their "prayers."

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by 192281

Its just sad to me..
I havent changed one thing about myself or said one harsh word about them, I just visited a church and it got out I am thinking about leaving. What will happen if I ever do leave. Also its sad because I think what if this happens to someone who cant handle the bashing..what will become of them.

Ferd didn't soft soap his words for you. He was being straight with you. I can understand some of his concerns. Can't you? Put yourself in the place of those you are leaving behind.

Has no one ever left your church before to go to another church that is less conservative? Are you the first? And since you don't agree with everything that is taught (standards) in your church, are you still in leadership or have you stepped down?

You are the one who is leaving so you are the one who will have to be more compassionate than those you left behind afterall a church is like a family and you are leaving a family in which you have been in a leadership role. I would be hurt (as I'm sure they are about you leaving) but would pray that God's will and blessings on their life if someone was considering leaving my fellowship.

Ultimately this move of yours is between you and God. Try to do it in a way that honors God...with love.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

You shouldn't continue to ponder. You just saw what they were made of. GET OUT while you can.

The hooded cultists won't make it easy and send you away in love. They will pressure you, humiliate you, and guilt you with their "prayers."

You're just as bad as any of those "hooded cultists" who are calling this brother backslidden. You ought to consider your words. You're speaking evil of servants of God, like yourself.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

You shouldn't continue to ponder. You just saw what they were made of. GET OUT while you can.

The hooded cultists won't make it easy and send you away in love. They will pressure you, humiliate you, and guilt you with their "prayers."

and his true opinions show. The total disdain you have....

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Ferd didn't soft soap his words for you. He was being straight with you. I can understand some of his concerns. Can't you? Put yourself in the place of those you are leaving behind.

Has no one ever left your church before to go to another church that is less conservative? Are you the first? And since you don't agree with everything that is taught (standards) in your church, are you still in leadership or have you stepped down?

You are the one who is leaving so you are the one who will have to be more compassionate than those you left behind afterall a church is like a family and you are leaving a family in which you have been in a leadership role. I would be hurt (as I'm sure they are about you leaving) but would pray that God's will and blessings on their life if someone was considering leaving my fellowship.

Ultimately this move of yours is between you and God. Try to do it in a way that honors God...with love.

More cultic rhetoric.

Newsflash: in the REAL WORLD, you know, outside the cult camp, it's not that difficult to attend a different church - especially if it's in another city. The gathering together is not about our own kingdom. So if I change my "gathering" place, it should not be something that throws bricks of burdens on another family. Bless them, love them and send them on their way.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

You're just as bad as any of those "hooded cultists" who are calling this brother backslidden. You ought to consider your words. You're speaking evil of servants of God, like yourself.

Perhaps I am.

Speaking evil? I'm speaking TRUTH!!!!!

To view these issues as salvific is the same as Judaizers. Let's look at some of Paul's choice words for Judaizers.

This is absolutely ridiculous for a church to treat others like this. It's unChristian! And for Ferd to get on here and blast this guy, along with yours and others hearty amens, is disgusting.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

and his true opinions show. The total disdain you have....

I wouldn't say disdain is the right word. Disgust is more accurate.

This is spiritual abuse. It's disgusting and it's not how we should treat other believers. Your defense of Ferd's slap in the face to this brother, and pat on the back to this church are sure-fire indicators that you are of the same ilk.

Maybe I'll just quote some Paul. You can call him "disdainful."

[SteppingStone]

Welcome to the "Suffering Part" of reigning with Christ. It's just another trial of your faith that He uses to purge you in order to produce more fruit and reach others in a new direction. Count it all joy and move on.. (Easier said than done.)

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Welcome to the "Suffering Part" of reigning with Christ. It's just another trial of your faith that He uses to purge you in order to produce more fruit and reach others in a new direction. Count it all joy and move on.. (Easier said than done.)

Well said.

Sad, that we suffer among our own. But in the end, there's time later to ask the question "why." I strongly advise to move on, mitigate the suffering you will endure, and as Stepping said, count it all joy.

[Jeffrey]

Evil Happens.

Someone decries and rebukes Evil.

Evil's supporters: You're just as evil for decrying evil!

Yeah... that makes sense.

And yes, what this church is doing is EVIL. It is anti-Christ.