Global Network of Christian Ministries

[El Predicador]

Isn't this one of those groups that will license Oneness OR Trinitarian?

[On The Wheel]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Ok, so I have another trepidation. I get the flyers in the mail and the email bulletins. Not long ago, there was going to be a regional meeting and it was going to feature some guy who would "play the piano prophetically". It was during the Kim Clement craze. It just seems like there have been a lot of far-out charismatic things they do. Am I wrong and if not, has that changed?

1Ch 25:1 Moreover David and the captains of the host separated to the service of the sons of Asaph, and of Heman, and of Jeduthun, who should prophesy with harps, with psalteries, and with cymbals:

I'm always disappointed when our traditional concepts of what should be are based only upon the things that have been a part of our realm of minute experience. Even though scripture may have something to say on the subject, if our comfort zone is violated, we resist.

Sure, there is a lot of wackiness out there. But I try not to judge a ministry before searching out what scripture may say on the subject. Then, an understanding of what actually transpires is judged in light of that scripture, rather than by my traditionally biased mindset.

This is difficult to do, and I don't always manage it, but I am trying.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by On The Wheel

1Ch 25:1 Moreover David and the captains of the host separated to the service of the sons of Asaph, and of Heman, and of Jeduthun, who should prophesy with harps, with psalteries, and with cymbals:

I'm always disappointed when our traditional concepts of what should be are based only upon the things that have been a part of our realm of minute experience. Even though scripture may have something to say on the subject, if our comfort zone is violated, we resist.

Sure, there is a lot of wackiness out there. But I try not to judge a ministry before searching out what scripture may say on the subject. Then, an understanding of what actually transpires is judged in light of that scripture, rather than by my traditionally biased mindset.

This is difficult to do, and I don't always manage it, but I am trying.

Dunno what anybody was doing or mailing out... but there is a clear difference between "play the piano prophetically" and 1 Chronicles 25:1

"... who should prophesy with harps, with psalteries, and with cymbals: and the number of the workmen according to their service was..."

The Hebrew verb "to prophesy" meant to speak or sing. It was something done with the human voice, and in this case the prophesying was accompanied with the music of the harps, psalteries and cymbals."

To "play the piano prophetically" appears to have excluded the human voice which is necessary to prophesy. Maybe it was a typo. Maybe there's more to what they were doing than what is described in the mailing; again, I dunno.

1 Chronicles 25:1 in the NET Bible:

"David and the army officers selected some of the sons of Asaph, Heman, and Jeduthun to prophesy as they played stringed instruments and cymbals. The following men were assigned this responsibility..."

"David, together with the commanders of the army, set apart some of the sons of Asaph, Heman and Jeduthun for the ministry of prophesying, accompanied by harps, lyres and cymbals. Here is the list of the men who performed this service..." NIV

"Next David and the worship leaders selected some from the family of Asaph, Heman, and Jeduthun for special service in preaching and music..." The Message

"David and the officers of the army also set apart some of the sons of Asaph, Heman, and Jeduthun, who were to prophesy accompanied by lyres, harps, and cymbals. This is the list of the men who performed their service..." The Holman Christian Standard Bible

[DAII]

Were there charismatics in the OT?

Originally Posted by pelathais

Dunno what anybody was doing or mailing out... but there is a clear difference between "play the piano prophetically" and 1 Chronicles 25:1

"... who should prophesy with harps, with psalteries, and with cymbals: and the number of the workmen according to their service was..."

The Hebrew verb "to prophesy" meant to speak or sing. It was something done with the human voice, and in this case the prophesying was accompanied with the music of the harps, psalteries and cymbals."

To "play the piano prophetically" appears to have excluded the human voice which is necessary to prophesy. Maybe it was a typo. Maybe there's more to what they were doing than what is described in the mailing; again, I dunno.

1 Chronicles 25:1 in the NET Bible:

"David and the army officers selected some of the sons of Asaph, Heman, and Jeduthun to prophesy as they played stringed instruments and cymbals. The following men were assigned this responsibility..."

"David, together with the commanders of the army, set apart some of the sons of Asaph, Heman and Jeduthun for the ministry of prophesying, accompanied by harps, lyres and cymbals. Here is the list of the men who performed this service..." NIV

"Next David and the worship leaders selected some from the family of Asaph, Heman, and Jeduthun for special service in preaching and music..." The Message

"David and the officers of the army also set apart some of the sons of Asaph, Heman, and Jeduthun, who were to prophesy accompanied by lyres, harps, and cymbals. This is the list of the men who performed their service..." The Holman Christian Standard Bible

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by CC1

Hmmmmm.......I guess much like doubting Thomas I will have to see it to believe it. LOL!!! However if you change your mind about this type thing I happen to have a "prophetic radio playing" ministry. For a relatively small guaranteed offering I can bless your saints by turning the radio dial until I am moved to stop at a particular song that will bless them. I must warn you though that often I am impressed to stop on the oldies station and Hotel California ends up speaking to a lot of folks.

Well, if I saved all my Global flyers, I'd mail it to you! It's been probably 4 years ago, but I could name the location where it was to take place, if that'd help! But I'm not necessarily condemning it or making fun, I'm just saying it's not for me.

Ok, semi-condemning it. Speaking out against it.

I'm not sure how good the reception is on our stage but would you be interested in ministering at our church with your radio? I need to hear some Billy Joel from the 80's. "Still rock n' roll to me" gets me on fire for God every time.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Well, if I saved all my Global flyers, I'd mail it to you! It's been probably 4 years ago, but I could name the location where it was to take place, if that'd help! But I'm not necessarily condemning it or making fun, I'm just saying it's not for me.

Ok, semi-condemning it. Speaking out against it.

I'm not sure how good the reception is on our stage but would you be interested in ministering at our church with your radio? I need to hear some Billy Joel from the 80's. "Still rock n' roll to me" gets me on fire for God every time.

I don't like all that stuff either. I try to be respectful of other Christians but I have no desire to be around all the hyper spiritualist stuff.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Dunno what anybody was doing or mailing out... but there is a clear difference between "play the piano prophetically" and 1 Chronicles 25:1

"... who should prophesy with harps, with psalteries, and with cymbals: and the number of the workmen according to their service was..."

The Hebrew verb "to prophesy" meant to speak or sing. It was something done with the human voice, and in this case the prophesying was accompanied with the music of the harps, psalteries and cymbals."

To "play the piano prophetically" appears to have excluded the human voice which is necessary to prophesy. Maybe it was a typo. Maybe there's more to what they were doing than what is described in the mailing; again, I dunno.

1 Chronicles 25:1 in the NET Bible:

"David and the army officers selected some of the sons of Asaph, Heman, and Jeduthun to prophesy as they played stringed instruments and cymbals. The following men were assigned this responsibility..."

"David, together with the commanders of the army, set apart some of the sons of Asaph, Heman and Jeduthun for the ministry of prophesying, accompanied by harps, lyres and cymbals. Here is the list of the men who performed this service..." NIV

"Next David and the worship leaders selected some from the family of Asaph, Heman, and Jeduthun for special service in preaching and music..." The Message

"David and the officers of the army also set apart some of the sons of Asaph, Heman, and Jeduthun, who were to prophesy accompanied by lyres, harps, and cymbals. This is the list of the men who performed their service..." The Holman Christian Standard Bible

That's exactly what I was going to say!

Well, not exactly, my version wouldn't have sounded nearly as smart! But clearly, what was referenced in I Chronicles and was Kim Clement does is nowhere near on the same planet.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by DAII

Were there charismatics in the OT?

Sure, wherever there were people and wherever there was a Holy Spirit, there could be charismatics if they allowed the Spirit to move.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by El Predicador

Isn't this one of those groups that will license Oneness OR Trinitarian?

Isn't Scott Jones Trinitarian-- he's the Pastor at Christ Church in Nashville and he's the President of this organization.

I have nothing against Trinitarians, it just I've been told that he and his church were "Trinitarian" and "charismatic", both words used to denote a certain fallen-ness from what that church once was for the true Gospel of Christ a long time ago.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Isn't Scott Jones Trinitarian-- he's the Pastor at Christ Church in Nashville and he's the President of this organization.

I have nothing against Trinitarians, it just I've been told that he and his church were "Trinitarian" and "charismatic", both words used to denote a certain fallen-ness from what that church once was for the true Gospel of Christ a long time ago.

You're talking about Dan Scott at Christ Church. Scott Jones pastors Grace Church in Texas, and he is the leader of Global. I don't really know what Dan considers himself.