Media Outrage?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by notofworks

But I don't think it's fair to say, "Because they did, anyone can."

Why not?

I had an English teacher tell me the EXACT same thing in my formative years (somewhere in my vast teenage wasteland, between listening to the sermons of f-khan nightly and decrying the existence of HBCU's as racist.)

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Folks, it is like listening to a slightly more articulate Cindy Sheehan!

At least you said I'm, "more articulate."


I once had an African-American doctor respond quite angrily when I told him the problems I saw with the black culture and the way they respond to certain things and I threw in some shots at Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Whew. I've never made that mistake again!

In his completely justifiable tirade he launched into, with which he made me cry, he asked, "Have you ever been grabbed by the back of your collar and thrown to the ground and called a 'Bleeping n____' because you were drinking out of a white man's water fountain?" He passionately asked several more similar questions concerning being thrown out of a restaurant, and repeatedly being currently pulled over in his Mercedes and simply being asked to produce ID and a "matching" registration.

When I answered, "No" to all of it, he said, "Then don't you ever tell me how I should think."

So I've never made that mistake again.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Why not?

I had an English teacher tell me the EXACT same thing in my formative years (somewhere in my vast teenage wasteland, between listening to the sermons of f-khan nightly and decrying the existence of HBCU's as racist.)

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[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Why not?

I had an English teacher tell me the EXACT same thing in my formative years (somewhere in my vast teenage wasteland, between listening to the sermons of f-khan nightly and decrying the existence of HBCU's as racist.)

Because not everyone is born with the same aptitudes. Not everyone responds the same, emotionally, to racial rejection, nor do all respond the same to socio-economic rejection. The makeup of each person is radically different in the way of emotions, intellect, natural talents and gifts, talents & skills, and the way they respond to obstacles.

Even in an "equal" society, some are capable of making millions of dollars and others simply don't have the gift of monetary reproduction. How much more does that apply to those who face the enormous obstacles of racism and racial stereotypes, and to those who face socio-economic bias?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Because not everyone is born with the same aptitudes. Not everyone responds the same, emotionally, to racial rejection, nor do all respond the same to socio-economic rejection. The makeup of each person is radically different in the way of emotions, intellect, natural talents and gifts, talents & skills, and the way they respond to obstacles.

Even in an "equal" society, some are capable of making millions of dollars and others simply don't have the gift of monetary reproduction. How much more does that apply to those who face the enormous obstacles of racism and racial stereotypes, and to those who face socio-economic bias?

My response to racial rejection is whose responsibility?

My response to socio-economic rejection is whose responsibility?

My response to obstacles is whose responsibility?


Will the answers be different based on race? (within the confines of the USA)

[oletime]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Well I do have to take issue with this part of your post.

1) The characters of the three accomplished American, black professionals mentioned have been unnecesarilly maligned by MANY in the "Black Community" for a long, long time. The insults for them, unfortunately, are not isolated.

Add Cosby, Sowell and any other black American who tries to publicly put more resposnisibility on the "Black Community" for our plight in America.


2) That "monumentally adversarial stacked deck that black America faces every single day" may be the doing of years and years of harsh injustice. For argument's sake we'll say it is.

However, I am convinced that the destroying of that "deck" rests in the Grace of God and the personal decisions, good and bad, of each American individual that faces such challenges.

There are just too many black people younger than me who are making AWESOME personal decisions and reaping the fruits of it.

There are just too many black people younger than me who are making TERRIBLE personal decisions and reaping the fruits of it.

Who should they thank? Who should they blame?


Furthermore, being that my roots are West Virginian, I have seen first-hand the results of poverty on black and white Americans. I have heard of whites from WVa making good educational decisions and see far too many whites who make poor educational decisions. By the time they're 25, the deck is stacked against them too. The same can be applied to the blacks I know and have heard of from WVa.



This is a phenomenon commonly referred to as, "life".

For the over OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, they have more opportunities for success and/or failure than what you may be trying to suggest.

Thanks jd you are the first person on here of color, to my knowledge, who has said anything about this.Your right, it is more than an isolated incident, also african americans need to stop referring to each other as uncles,stop calling each other by the n word and referring to their women in degrading sexual terms.Then and only then can we can expect others to follow suit.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

My response to racial rejection is whose responsibility?

My response to socio-economic rejection is whose responsibility?

My response to obstacles is whose responsibility?


Will the answers be different based on race? (within the confines of the USA)

Ultimately, each person bears responsibility for everything they do. But to reduce the reality of the impact of circumstances, and as well, to ignore the fact that different people are able to handle rejection and obstacles in different ways, would be unwise, I believe.


It's also interesting that some of the people mentioned here that have "risen above the obstacles", have directly benefitted from affirmative action...Powell, Thomas, for example. Also, Walter Williams, a frequent guest-host for Rush Limbaugh, was a direct beneficiary of affirmative action.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Ultimately, each person bears responsibility for everything they do. But to reduce the reality of the impact of circumstances, and as well, to ignore the fact that different people are able to handle rejection and obstacles in different ways, would be unwise, I believe.


It's also interesting that some of the people mentioned here that have "risen above the obstacles", have directly benefitted from affirmative action...Powell, Thomas, for example. Also, Walter Williams, a frequent guest-host for Rush Limbaugh, was a direct beneficiary of affirmative action.

I understand where you are coming from. The problem is, that for me, it becomes all too easy to play the blame game. So to protect myself from self-sabotage, I guard myself against it.


I NEVER LEFT OUT THE GRACE OF GOD as I believe that there are some bad things that could have gone much worse for me if not for His Grace. There are some good things that only happened because of the Grace of God.


I will go even further and state plainly that our country is in dire straits, morally speaking. There are many Americans that cannot get enough of satan's poison. So when you have black people, who may not start out at the best place in "life" from the start, and you feed those people with satan's poison, what can one expect to happen?


Do you blame the blind for being blind?
Do you blame satan? Why? He's just doing his job.
Do you blame God? Why? Doesn't he give everyone free will?
So who do you blame?




I think the likes of Powell, Thomas and Williams believe that race-based Affirmative Action has outlived its usefullness.

I disagree with their thinking. I think that it needs to be adjusted in scope to address class and race.

The black son of Doctor and Schoolteacher that comes from a two parent home, raised in the Northern Va suburbs of Washington, DC will probably succeed, with or without the help of AA, in today's America.

His first name probably won't be Jamal, but even if it is, he'd probably overcome the prejudice and when given the opportunity to shine, he will be PREPARED to shine.


The black son, 1 of 5 children born to the single mother in Memphis, TN who for any number of reasons is unable to keep a job, will never get to a place to where AA even matters, statistically speaking.


That is where AA, and thus our country, simply fails.

Change Memphis, TN to LA, or Baltimore, and that same kid may be dead before age 17.

AA does not address these problems.
NAACP, the Democrats, the GOP-- everyone fails these folks and these folks fail each other.



Of course, in theory, failure is never acceptable, but it would be in this case-- if not for the Grace of God that's available to all Americans.

Unfortunately, many folks follow the steps of King Ahaz-- in distress, they displease the Lord even more.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by notofworks

An isolated black person calling Thomas, Rice, & Powell, "Uncle Tom's" does not constitute racism, and doesn't change the monumentally adversarial stacked deck that black America faces every single day.

I don't agree that Thomas, Rice, and Powell are "Uncle Tom's" but I also would provide space for some to express their opinion and also try to understand where they're coming from.

And I do understand where they're coming from.

With respect, the Clarence Thomas hearings of 1991 were not some "isolated individual" but an onslaught by the entire Democrat Party to show what happens to Blacks who "leave the plantation" of the DNC. The mainstream media were important co-contributers to this televised lynching as well.

The current Vice President of the United States led the charge. (Watch on YouTube for links to several other segments).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2yfARRF9Co

A point of information: All of the members of my family who "pass for Black" are Republicans as well as everyone else. This goes back to the Civil Rights era when my wife's great uncle was burned alive by a mob of klansmen and the Democrat officials who ran the State of Mississippi covered it up and protected the murderers.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by pelathais

With respect, the Clarence Thomas hearings of 1991 were not some "isolated individual" but an onslaught by the entire Democrat Party to show what happens to Blacks who "leave the plantation" of the DNC. The mainstream media were important co-contributers to this televised lynching as well.

The current Vice President of the United States led the charge. (Watch on YouTube for links to several other segments).



A point of information: All of the members of my family who "pass for Black" are Republicans as well as everyone else. This goes back to the Civil Rights era when my wife's great uncle was burned alive by a mob of klansmen and the Democrat officials who ran the State of Mississippi covered it up and protected the murderers.

I don't disagree at all. What they did to Thomas was horrible, and what they did to Bork was worse.

Speaking of Biden....for whatever reason, I feel defensive of Obama, mostly because he's our president and should be respected and prayed for. But Biden? Whew....I can't stand him. Him being a heartbeat away from the presidency is far scarier than Dan "Potatoe" Quayle.