True Apostolic - Page 4

Aquila · #31 02-09-2010, 09:25 AM

The Kingdom of God is so much bigger than the modern "Apostolic Pentecostal" movement with it's man made traditions, standards, and doctrines of men. The Kingdom of God knows no alphabet soup organizations. The Kingdom of God doesn't know denominations. Those who are his are his. We know who we are. Those who identify themselves by anything outside of Christ and Christ alone risk making an idol of their heritage, denomination, standards, church, doctrines, or traditions.

I remember all the fuss about "Apostolic Identity" and maintaining the heritage and identity of our movement. This has a big problem in my opinion.... our identity should be in Christ alone. Call me "Christian". I desire to be associated with none other than Christ Jesus. Those who feel the same are my brothers and sisters.

Sam · #32 02-09-2010, 10:51 AM

It is my opinion that everyone born into the human family is born into a "fallen" race, into a family that was plunged into rebellion when Adam, our federal, head rebelled against YHWH and turned everything over to satan. It is my opinion that all who are born are born into the family of satan, are dead spiritually, and are by nature the children of wrath. The only way to pass from that family into the family of God is by birth, known as rebirth, regeneration, or being born again. It is my opinion that all who have come to Jesus in faith and repentance have been born into the family of God. This is based on 1 John 5:1 which says, "If you believe that Jesus is the Christ --that He is God's Son and your Savior-- then you are a child of God."

Labels such as Apostolic or Pentecostal or Calvinist or Lutheran or Baptist or Christian or whatever are just that --labels of human origin and serve no useful purpose but for us to categorize and pigeon hole people by label.

Godsdrummer · #33 02-10-2010, 06:44 AM

Ah but let me through a wrench into the mix, what of the out pouring of the Holy Ghost in the early 1900's with evidince of speaking with tongues and the understanding of the Oneness of the Godhead and Baptism in Jesus name. Did God not revel these to the church and if yes then how importand to God are these tenents of faith?

I am not putting this out for argument sake, but as I understand it, these revelations are why we call ourselves Apostolic, because we beleive this is what the apostles preached in the beginning. Where as the rest of the church world believes in a triune godhead, and baptism in the titles, father son and holy ghost etc.

Of course I have my own understanding but I am interested in what others out look on this is.

Sam · #34 02-10-2010, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Ah but let me through a wrench into the mix, what of the out pouring of the Holy Ghost in the early 1900's with evidince of speaking with tongues and the understanding of the Oneness of the Godhead and Baptism in Jesus name. Did God not revel these to the church and if yes then how importand to God are these tenents of faith?

I am not putting this out for argument sake, but as I understand it, these revelations are why we call ourselves Apostolic, because we beleive this is what the apostles preached in the beginning. Where as the rest of the church world believes in a triune godhead, and baptism in the titles, father son and holy ghost etc.

Of course I have my own understanding but I am interested in what others out look on this is.

Lots of folks use the term "Apostolic."
It's even part of the Roman Catholic name.

Folks who received the Holy Ghost baptism in the early 1900's called themselves Apostolic before some of them started baptizing in Jesus' name. Apostolic was (still is as far as I'm concerned) more of a generic term for those who believe that the gifts of the Spirit (tongues, healing, prophecy, etc) are available to the Church today.

Only a small group have tried to limit that name to the "One God Jesus Name" faction of the Church.

ANGELFACE · #35 02-10-2010, 08:54 AM

Sneekee,
what do you call yourself?

Godsdrummer · #36 02-10-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Lots of folks use the term "Apostolic."
It's even part of the Roman Catholic name.

Folks who received the Holy Ghost baptism in the early 1900's called themselves Apostolic before some of them started baptizing in Jesus' name. Apostolic was (still is as far as I'm concerned) more of a generic term for those who believe that the gifts of the Spirit (tongues, healing, prophecy, etc) are available to the Church today.

Only a small group have tried to limit that name to the "One God Jesus Name" faction of the Church.

I am continuing to find out just how limited was the relm of understanding I was raised in.

sbo1971 · #37 02-10-2010, 05:22 PM

I think the terms Apostolic and Pentecostal have taken on the same quality as the term Christian, they have become nothing more than a "fashion statement" they are trendy and people use them as such.

Sam · #38 02-10-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sbo1971

I think the terms Apostolic and Pentecostal have taken on the same quality as the term Christian, they have become nothing more than a "fashion statement" they are trendy and people use them as such.

and we each have our own little private interpretation of what the term means

Godsdrummer · #39 02-16-2010, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

The Kingdom of God is so much bigger than the modern "Apostolic Pentecostal" movement with it's man made traditions, standards, and doctrines of men. The Kingdom of God knows no alphabet soup organizations. The Kingdom of God doesn't know denominations. Those who are his are his. We know who we are. Those who identify themselves by anything outside of Christ and Christ alone risk making an idol of their heritage, denomination, standards, church, doctrines, or traditions.

I remember all the fuss about "Apostolic Identity" and maintaining the heritage and identity of our movement. This has a big problem in my opinion.... our identity should be in Christ alone. Call me "Christian". I desire to be associated with none other than Christ Jesus. Those who feel the same are my brothers and sisters.

A Big Amen

Godsdrummer · #40 02-16-2010, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Lots of folks use the term "Apostolic."
It's even part of the Roman Catholic name.

Folks who received the Holy Ghost baptism in the early 1900's called themselves Apostolic before some of them started baptizing in Jesus' name. Apostolic was (still is as far as I'm concerned) more of a generic term for those who believe that the gifts of the Spirit (tongues, healing, prophecy, etc) are available to the Church today.

Only a small group have tried to limit that name to the "One God Jesus Name" faction of the Church.

Here I thought Apostolic ment those that preached what Peter preach on the day of Pentecost as salvation. And that Pentecostal was the term for those that believe in the gifts of the spririt. (tongues, healing, prophecy etc)