Hypocrite of the Year

[Esther]

Originally Posted by allstate1

Yea thats one of the lies they want you to believe!! As an insurance agent I have not seen any decrease in any auto premiums since it has become mandatory! Think about it, why would the premiums lower just because its mandatory? Would you lower the price on a product you were tryin to sell if it was a law you had to have it? You lower prices when there is no demand!!

We have a WINNER!!!!

And tell me of another product the government has required you purchase???

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

what happens when increased competition is able to provide a servide or produce much cheaper? You have 2 outcomes, either the competition are somehow able to lower their costs or....they go out of business

The thing he is ignoring is the government is going to put such strict restrictions on the companies so that they can not stay in business then they will say they are going to have to step in and take it over, kind of like the auto industry.

[John Atkinson]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

If you read the thread, you will see that Night-Hen started calling me Delluded Mind several times before I called him Night-hen. As for shifting, I was simply enumerating more reasons that costs will be contained. I haven't ignored any cbo reports because I haven't read any, I'm simply following news reports.

News reports like the liberal blog you referenced in starting this thread?

They didn't even spin that very well. Typical leftist trash... find a person, attack that person and try an diverte people away from the actual issue.

You're a true believer, I'll give you that. You just about have to be to swallow the garbage you're being fed and think it's caviar.

[John Atkinson]

Originally Posted by Esther

The thing he is ignoring is the government is going to put such strict restrictions on the companies so that they can not stay in business then they will say they are going to have to step in and take it over, kind of like the auto industry.

It isn't only a question of staying in business, but in a lot of cases continueing to employ people.

I work on the cutting edge of motion and machine control. There aren't all that many menial type jobs where a person can't be replaced by technology. Tech that doesn't need a paycheck, works 24/7 and doesn't require healthcare premiums, paychecks, sick days or paid holidays.

I shop at a store, stop and shop.

I walk in the door, scan my store card and pick up a hand scanner, and several grocery bags. I go through the store, scanning my items and placing them in the bags.

When I am done I go to an automated check out, scan my card again and it totals my order, I pay with my cc and go my way not having had to interact with a single soul.

They have a cashier there for problems/ 1 cashier for 6 automated checkout lines. They still have standard cashier driven checkouts, but they don't have to. They could run the whole frontend of the store with 2 people. That is a lot of healthcare premiums.

The gov't steps in and mandates companies to provide healthcare and those companies are just going to do away with people to stay viable, that means more untrained or untrainable people on welfare getting free healthcare as well. Simple logic dictates that it will drive the cost of healthcare and insurance premiums upo for everyone else, not to mention taxes.

[Nitehawk013]

The CBO is the group that wa smost vocally against this mess! They said it would ADD over a TRILLION dollars to the deficit.

Yes, the first couple years it will reduce the costs...because they will be skimming Billions from Medicare. I hope all the old people in Amrica are ready to be told they cannot get treatments. I guess it's ok to tell them to go die though right? As long as Obamassiah promises coverage to everyone else right?

I mean those old people have already outlived their usefulness right? Maybe they should just do their duty and quietly just stop taking meds and treatment and just lay in bed til they pass on right? That money is better served going to treat the labor class who is still young and still contributes to the machine right?

Sounds like someo f those bright shiny Commie countries to me.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by Esther

We have a WINNER!!!!

And tell me of another product the government has required you purchase???

Lets begin with the first and worst???!! social security!!!!!!!!!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by allstate1

Lets begin with the first and worst???!! social security!!!!!!!!!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

The CBO is the group that wa smost vocally against this mess! They said it would ADD over a TRILLION dollars to the deficit.

Yes, the first couple years it will reduce the costs...because they will be skimming Billions from Medicare. I hope all the old people in Amrica are ready to be told they cannot get treatments. I guess it's ok to tell them to go die though right? As long as Obamassiah promises coverage to everyone else right?

I mean those old people have already outlived their usefulness right? Maybe they should just do their duty and quietly just stop taking meds and treatment and just lay in bed til they pass on right? That money is better served going to treat the labor class who is still young and still contributes to the machine right?

Sounds like someo f those bright shiny Commie countries to me.

This thing is a huge mess!!!!!!!!!

Obamacare Slaps $15,000 Annual Fee on Middle Class Families

The Congressional Budget Office's analysis of the final Senate health care bill indicates it would slap a mandatory annual fee of about $15,000 on middle-class families that earn an annual income greater than 400 percent of the federal poverty level ($88,200 for a family of four) and are not provided with health insurance by their employer.

http://townhall.com/columnists/TerryJeffrey/2009/12/23/obamacare_slaps_$15,000_annual_fee_on_middle_class _families?page=1

[allstate1]

To adhere to the "green" movement all government entities are going paperless!! So guess where your medical records will be kept? On a chip implanted on your wrist/hand and/or your forehead! Imagine that?

[John Atkinson]

Originally Posted by allstate1

To adhere to the "green" movement all government entities are going paperless!! So guess where your medical records will be kept? On a chip implanted on your wrist/hand and/or your forehead! Imagine that?

Actually I would sortof welcome that, been having to see so many different drs lately and having to sit and fill out the same stupid forms everytime is getting really old.