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Old 04-23-2007, 09:29 AM
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Blood comes from the body. there's a monkey wrench.
Bloodline and actual blood derivation are two different things.

Sin is a LEGAL issue, as it were. Legalities are reckoned through headship; in this case the Father.
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:31 AM
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Bloodline and actual blood derivation are two different things.

Sin is a LEGAL issue, as it were. Legalities are reckoned through headship; in this case the Father.
Many teach his blood is literally the fathers blood and the flesh from Mary. I was poiting out how the blood is made from the body. It's basically liquid flesh so to speak,
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He wasn't the Son of God before his death?
Yes, He was, but not DECLARED WITH POWER, until the resurrection.

Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

His power was over death in His own case.

DECLARED in greek means to undeniably prove it beyond all shadow of doubt. His resurrection proved everything about Him! He was still Son before that, but the resurrection proved His power as He claimed He had it.
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Many teach his blood literal is the fathers blood and the flesh from Mary. I was poiting out how the blood is made from the body. It's basically liquid flesh so to speak,
Right. His blood was not literally from the Father, but made by the Father. Otherwise we still have divine flesh in another form.
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He wasn't the Son of God before his death?
He was the son of God in the womb of Mary. Luke 1:35 And certainly was the Son of God in his natural life but the resurrection took Him from being the sacrifice to being the High Priest as the Son of God. A different role of the Son and in the Judgment his role as Son will be Judge!
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He was the son of God in the womb of Mary. Luke 1:35 And certainly was the Son of God in his natural life but the resurrection took Him from being the sacrifice to being the High Priest as the Son of God. A different role of the Son and in the Judgment his role as Son will be Judge!
Amen!

So what are thoughts that the Son went through a "Metamorphus" (sp?)
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Amen!

So what are thoughts that the Son went through a "Metamorphus" (sp?)
In the resurrection he was raised incorruptible and immortal if that is what is meant?
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In the resurrection he was raised incorruptible and immortal if that is what is meant?
I've heard some teach that it was progressive change for Jesus with the climax of the change with the resurrection.
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In the resurrection he was raised incorruptible and immortal if that is what is meant?
Right on.

Now, he was TRANSFIGURED, which is a metamorphosis in Matt 17. If that is what is inferred. But that was to show how He is the prophet greater than Moses, for when Moses' face shone it had to be veiled and prohibit the people from being changed as well. But Christ changed and changes us with unveiled face in a chain reaction sort of blessing. That is one reason why Moses was there that day.
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I've heard some teach that it was progressive change for Jesus with the climax of the change with the resurrection.
NOPE I do not believe that however I do think the Son has different roles as example-sacrifice-high priest-judge-king.
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