Walks in Islam?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It seemed you accepted him as a Muslim enough for you to say "God bless you". John told us not to do that. We cannot accept people to THAT extent who are in false religions.



Sorry, Islam is false doctrine. It's adherents are lost. Not to say there are not good people in that religion. But they are sincerely wrong. And John told us to not bid god speed to people who do not bring what John called "this doctrine" to you. I am afraid Islamics do not bring "this doctrine" to us.

Mike, what would you think of this clip from Billy Graham, although I think I know?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCnxA91fHE

I do not believe Islam is the way. But I have no problem with him being here. And I won't debate him. Relationship with God comes by revelation, not through debate. So I'll just love him, accept him, and pray for him and his family that they have a good life, while being as much of a friend as I can be. I'll tell you this....if he shows up in heaven, I won't get mad at God.

I'm passionately following Jesus Christ with every fiber of my being. I am responsible for me, my family, and the church I pastor. But I will have to leave WII's eternity up to him and his spiritual journey. If at any point, he wanted to ask questions about Jesus, I would hope to be able to give sufficient answers (Colossians 4:3-5)

[Walks_in_islam]

Love is a rare commodity, on this forum and elsewhere. As to prayer mine is that I wish no ill-will to any of you.

My comments on your comments:

Blume: If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house

Pharisees: But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them." (Luke 15)

Blume: I am using this passage to say that we cannot pray God bless him

Blume: I will not pray God bless you

Blume: God's Word told me not to

Jesus: But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you (not that you are persecuted or anything but I am quite sure you are capable of getting the point)

Your comments represent what christianity became long after Jesus left the earth. Not what Jesus taught at all.

I am a Texan. Do the practices of a distant foreign land determine yours? At any rate call the consulate in Houston and complain to Saudis if you have a beef with Saudis. Here's the website -http://www.mofa.gov.sa/Detail.asp?InSectionID=5251&InNewsItemID=57588 Good luck. While you are complaining note that wives and women should be allowed to drive in Saudi. That driving thing is kind of an "extra standard" for them that becomes a family burden. Sort of like heavy burdens put on families in churches also described by Jesus (coincidentally also directed at Pharisees and teachers of the law)

They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

Regards!!

Originally Posted by mfblume

It is interesting that Saudi Arabia does not allow Christian churches in the country. But we allow Mosques here and Islams on our forums. Who shows more love?

[Walks_in_islam]

Filed and noted.

Kindest regards,

Wii

Originally Posted by The Mrs

Uuummm...yes, once again, there was a specific reason for what I posted.

The thread was started with a member questioning your -Islamic- involvement on our -Christian- Forum. There are others asking the same thing. Some are glad you're here, others are skeptical, wondering what your motive is in being here.

I just wanted you to know exactly where you stood according to the Forum Rules of membership.

Not sure what's so hard to understand about that.

And as far as confronting you with an actual broken rule, the Admin Team doesn't make a habit of doing that publicly. You would have received a Private Notification. What I posted was for your, and other Forum members, benefit. A 'reminder', if you will.

And I didn't do it on the other thread that you posted on because I didn't want to. It wasn't necessarily an 'issue' then. It is an 'issue' now.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It is interesting that Saudi Arabia does not allow Christian churches in the country. But we allow Mosques here and Islams on our forums. Who shows more love?

Oh Mike, come on....that's the government, not Christianity. There have been Christian governments that were just as exclusive. There was once a nation that wouldn't allow anyone to hold office unless they were a registered part of the Dutch Reformed church. That was South Africa while under apartheid.

[mfblume]

Veiling what the bible said as MY WORDS in order to degrade the bible by degarding MHY WORDS, Walks in Islam said:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Love is a rare commodity, on this forum and elsewhere. As to prayer mine is that I wish no ill-will to any of you.

My comments on your comments:

Blume: If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house

Pharisees: But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them." (Luke 15)

See the subtle manner of degrading the bible without coming out and blatantly doing so? Mods, I suspect WII's efforts to degrade the bible on this forum, using tactics that slightly attempt to avoid PLAINLY doing so.

Anyway, welcoming sinners is not welcoming people of false doctrine. I welcomed many sinners in my home who espoused no false doctrine.

Blume: I am using this passage to say that we cannot pray God bless him

Blume: I will not pray God bless you

Blume: God's Word told me not to

Jesus: But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you (not that you are persecuted or anything but I am quite sure you are capable of getting the point)

Pray for them. To what end? That God bless them, or God save them?

Why don't you put JOHN's name there instead of mine? That is what you are implying anyway, that John the apostle was a false prophet.

Your comments represent what christianity became long after Jesus left the earth. Not what Jesus taught at all.

You claim Jesus did no teach what John taught in his second epistle. Attach my name to it since I quoted John, but in reality you are saying John the apostle was speaking against Jesus Christ's words. However, you clearly read into the texts things the texts do not say in attempts to show John the apostle disagreed with Jesus.

Mods, should this be allowed?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Oh Mike, come on....that's the government, not Christianity. There have been Christian governments that were just as exclusive. There was once a nation that wouldn't allow anyone to hold office unless they were a registered part of the Dutch Reformed church. That was South Africa while under apartheid.

That does not change my point. And bad examples of "Christian" governments can be compared to Islam's bin Ladins.

N.O.W. I am surprised at your responses.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That does not change my point. And bad examples of "Christian" governments can be compared to Islam's bin Ladins.

N.O.W. I am surprised at your responses.

Surprised at what? That I pray blessings on another person or that I like the thrasher metal band or that I won't get upset if Muslims are in heaven or it's not brownie points for Christendom that the U.S. allows mosques and Saudi Arabia doesn't?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Mike, what would you think of this clip from Billy Graham, although I think I know?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCnxA91fHE

These men have uttered absolute error. Unbelievable error. One cannot be part of the body of Christ without knowing the name of Jesus. Jesus said that no man comes to Father but by Him. So how can one come by Him when one does not even know his name?

I do not believe Islam is the way. But I have no problem with him being here.

If he did not degrade the bible subtly by using my words that quoted John as a contrast from Jesus words, when in reality he was in effect accusing John the apostle of being false prophet, and suchlike, I would agree. But not now, personally.

And I won't debate him. Relationship with God comes by revelation, not through debate. So I'll just love him, accept him, and pray for him and his family that they have a good life, while being as much of a friend as I can be. I'll tell you this....if he shows up in heaven, I won't get mad at God.

Debating or not is one thing. But claiming one could go to glory without Christ is another.

How can anyone suspect a Moslem will end up in heaven by believing the muslim faith, and that Christ's sacrifice on the cross has nothing to do with absolutely the only way one can get to heaven, and consider themselves apostolics, or true Christians in any sense of the word?

In all due respect, your words shock me. But I still love you.

I'm passionately following Jesus Christ with every fiber of my being. I am responsible for me, my family, and the church I pastor. But I will have to leave WII's eternity up to him and his spiritual journey.

A journey is one thing. One still can be led to Christ if one is still journeying. But a destination considered for one who lives and dies a Moslem, having not accepted Christ's sacrifice as the only way to God, is quite another. The Word tells us the fate of those who do not know Christ as Saviour. The word dealt with the issue of people's destinies in light of their position in regards to the cross. If that does not change, one is lost without this plain issue of the cross.

If at any point, he wanted to ask questions about Jesus, I would hope to be able to give sufficient answers (Colossians 4:3-5)

Me, too. But I will agree with John and say I cannot pray God bless him if he brings not the same doctrine John brought from Christ.

I wonder if you agree with WII that John disagreed with Jesus in his second epistle. This is nothing personal against you, since I do not know you. I am just relating words that I sincerely believe reflect what the Bible says. And in hopes of pleasing all men at the cost of standing with what the word says, I cannot agree with your position.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Surprised at what? That I pray blessings on another person or that I like the thrasher metal band or that I won't get upset if Muslims are in heaven or it's not brownie points for Christendom that the U.S. allows mosques and Saudi Arabia doesn't?

Surprised at many things you said. It's not a matter of getting upset or not if Moslems are in heaven. I wish hell for no one. But the words of the Bible simply make things plain enough to know we cannot have such a possibility as a hope.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I am sorry, haven't been around here very much so if there is history regarding this topic then you please allow this thread to simply sink below the surface, but what of this business of Walks in Islam person to come onto AFF (what is supposed to be at a minimum a Christian forum) and promote some downright foolishness?

Am I missing something here? Aren't there a million other forums and arenas to debate Islam...maybe I haven't been gone long enough?

Hmmmm....

I agree with Carpenter.

After seeing wii use John's words in his second epistle used under MY NAME, since I happened to quote them, and contrast them with Christ's words as though they disagreed and conflicted with Jesus, that is crossing the line of having this moslem on the forum. Otherwise, without such efforts, I would say nothing against him being here. Saying I do not bid him god speed, as JOHN said, is not "not loving him". In fact, love for him would cause me to stand by what God's word tells me to do, in hopes he be convicted of Islamic false doctrine. If he departs Islam, and comes to Christ by this, then he will thank me in glory!

I mean wii no ill will, do not pray for evil to happen to him, but obey 2 John and simply do not pray God condone his error by blessing him.

Like Jesus said, I pray for wii this night when I am done posting, not to bless him since that would condone his false doctrine as okay. But to save him and bring him in to the eternal life that is in Jesus Christ alone. I mean no ill will to him whatsoever.