View Poll Results: Do you believe and/or teach that standards are heaven or hell issues?
Absolutely. I believe and teach that standards are heaven or hell issues.
Actaeon, Brother Price, CupCake, Whole Hearted
2 40.00%
I believe that standards should be followed, but they do not necessarily affect salvation.
DaisyP, Hesetmefree238, seguidordejesus, tndixiemom
1 20.00%
I do not believe standards are salvational, but I teach them in compliance with the organization.
Thumper
1 20.00%
I do not believe or teach that standards are salvational. 0 0%
I teach that standards are matters of consecration, but are not salvational.
Drama Queen, myhaloisintheshop, Oneintheword
1 20.00%
I don't know. 0 0%
Says there are five voters. I see only three preachers (of those I know about). Price, Seguidor, CupCake, and DQ aren't licensed. I don't know about the other ones.
Actaeon, WholeHearted, and Thumper are preachers that I know of.
I'm puzzled why there are about twelve names but only five voters though.
Ok, that's weird. When I first read this post a minute ago, five names were bolded that weren't bolded by me, but now it's not that way.
The bolded names were Actaeon, WholeHearted, Hesetmefree, Thumper, and Oneintheword.
How were those highlighted but they aren't now??
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Price, you really didn't agree with him, he said he preaches standards, and you said something about Holiness without which no man shall see the Lord.
Exactly. Holiness and standards are inseparable. If one desires to live holy, then standards are among the fruit thereof. No standards, no holiness. Anyone who keeps the line of standards are not holiness are decievers and liars against the scriptures. All area of life means exactly that.
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Originally Posted by Carpenter
Which I would agree with you but not with him.
Actually, you disagree with both of us, seems like.
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Originally Posted by Carpenter
Where is your biblical tether for standards and holiness?
1Peter 1:15-16 is a commandment for holiness in all areas of conversation. This means that our standards (how we dress, where we go, and what we do) is included in this. As a believer in Jesus Christ, I see it absolutely impossible for a man to be holy on the inside and watch the lies and filth on TV. It is impossible for a woman to have a good attitude and still dress like a man or as if she has no morals. It is impossible for a person to claim modestyand wear jewelry that costs hundreds or thousands of dollars just for appearances.
And people wonder why when someone mentions holiness, people start talking about clothing.
Bill, what are your standards that you live by that make you dress differently than other modestly dressed men in the world?
A very good question. The standards for me, and they are being built upon, are long sleeves in every situation. Though I personally see nothing wrong with short sleeves, the Spirit has brought me to this conviction. Even in Houston heat, I choose to wear long sleeves. My hair is always short, seeing how the Lord is my covering.
It may seem as if there is no difference, and in appearance, you maybe right, but in Spirit, there is.
Okay, apparently I am naive about this issue, so I'm taking a poll. Please only answer the poll if you are a licensed UPCI minister. (It's open so that can be verified, if need be.)
It has always been my understanding that standards and rules and guidelines were not heaven or hell issues, but rather preferences, protective measures, boundaries, or issues of personal consecration. I was not aware that a large majority of the UPCI ministerial constituency taught these things as heaven/hell issues or salvational issues.
I guess I've been in the dark all these years. So enlighten me.
Well I voted before I read your opening remarks. I am not a licensed minister, although I do teach.
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