The Ugly Truth About Canada's HealthCare

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Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

To label Canada socialist on the basis of health care is comical.

If our health care makes us socialist, what about all of America's socialist programs:

Publicly funded, equally available to all citizens, police services.

Taxpayer funded, equal fire protection for all citizens regardless of income.

Taxpayer funded public education available to all citizens.

Not to mention: welfare support for the unemployable; compassionate welfare for the disabled; social security for the elderly, . . .

The government in America must be a horrible institution if American's prefer to entrust their health care to insurance companies instead of their elected representatives.

The right wing in America have gone over the edge. People who are normally level headed who try to buy the products they use in their daily life at the best price for the best product, readily throw away their money without question to the Insurance Co's.

For the year 2006 to 2007 one CEO of an ins. co. salary was over $300,000.00 a day. His salary was divided by 365 days to come up with that figure. This was just his salary it didn't include his stock options and all other benefits. Oh yah he got free health ins.

These same right wingers think that is OK, they scream don't touch my ins.

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf
In my experience, insurance companies are just slightly above the mafia in compassion and fairness.

Are you sure they are above the Mafia in any way???

They refuse to cover what the customer pays for and the customer dies. Shouldn't that be classified as MURDER?

[RevDWW]

How about working on Tort reform?

How about allowing all insurance companies to compete across all state lines?

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

How about working on Tort reform?

If a doctor operates while high on a love one of yours and your medical bills run in the hundreds of thousand of dollars to repair his mistakes you will change your tune.

Originally Posted by RevDWW

How about allowing all insurance companies to compete across all state lines?

They will be able to under Obama's plan.

[simplyme]

My house and I will NOT believe in someone that is merely an operative for the dark powers and principalities' "politics" behind everything that happens in regard to this nation., and even the world in general. I have long decided that He whom died for me, is the ONLY one whom I can believe and give all of my loyalities to., I know that only He truly knows "whats up" and being in close contact/communication with Him, I know
which way to vote., it isn't for anything that this so-called 'leader' of this nation decides, sorry! [LIES LIES and more LIES]
I know that some here and there are blind followers of that one., I am glad to no longer live my life in blind darkness. JMHO
JESUS is in charge of MY HealthCAre, thank you! Meanwhile I continously pray that He will find a way
to intervene, once more, for the better of all on this earth.

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Originally Posted by simplyme

My house and I will NOT believe in someone that is merely an operative for the dark powers and principalities' "politics" behind everything that happens in regard to this nation., and even the world in general. I have long decided that He whom died for me, is the ONLY one whom I can believe and give all of my loyalities to., I know that only He truly knows "whats up" and being in close contact/communication with Him, I know
which way to vote., it isn't for anything that this so-called 'leader' of this nation decides, sorry! [LIES LIES and more LIES]
I know that some here and there are blind followers of that one., I am glad to no longer live my life in blind darkness. JMHO
JESUS is in charge of MY HealthCAre, thank you! Meanwhile I continously pray that He will find a way
to intervene, once more, for the better of all on this earth.

Hey was George Bush an operative for the dark powers and principalities' "politics" ?????

[simplyme]

Originally Posted by Light

Hey was George Bush an operative for the dark powers and principalities' "politics" ?????

You have to ask?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

Here is the philosophical question that divides Canadians and some Americans. I believe that healthcare is a basic human right.

Having said that, my angst on this thread is not with America's profit driven healthcare, but with the needless attack on Canada's healthcare system that seems to be at the core of the American debate. Our system is far from perfect, but it works for us, and is a part of our definition of "Canadian." To ridicule our healthcare is to us a direct slap to our national pride.

My angst is when Canadians ignore the demographic differenes in our populations that make universal "free" healthcare a completely different economic burden or the USA than for Canada.

Even you should admit that even with the social / demographic advantage Canada has your universal health care system is taxing your resources and in some areas exceeding them.

I have no doubt that socialized universal healthcare is in our future. We have crossed the rubicon of belieiving it is some kind of human right so it will happen. Just in time for me to get old and receive rationed care based on my age, limited healthcare resources available, and some buerocrauts whim.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by CC1

My angst is when Canadians ignore the demographic differenes in our populations that make universal "free" healthcare a completely different economic burden or the USA than for Canada.

Even you should admit that even with the social / demographic advantage Canada has your universal health care system is taxing your resources and in some areas exceeding them.

I have no doubt that socialized universal healthcare is in our future. We have crossed the rubicon of belieiving it is some kind of human right so it will happen. Just in time for me to get old and receive rationed care based on my age, limited healthcare resources available, and some buerocrauts whim.

As I wrote the other day, I have an 81 yr. old Canadian friend, and she knows nothing of the stuff you have written about.

It is fear tactics at it's worst, CC1...not fact...

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by CC1

My angst is when Canadians ignore the demographic differenes in our populations that make universal "free" healthcare a completely different economic burden or the USA than for Canada.

Even you should admit that even with the social / demographic advantage Canada has your universal health care system is taxing your resources and in some areas exceeding them.

Please explain the "demographic differences" that make universal healthcare a different economic burden in the USA than in Canada. According to the prestigious Fraser Institute, Canada's percentage of population receiving welfare benefits is higher than the US rate.

Both Canada and the United States have experienced declines in the number of welfare cases, both in absolute terms and as a percentage of the population.

The United States has experienced a decline in the number of welfare recipients from a high of 14.2 million in 1994 (5.5 percent of the population) to 5.8 million in June of 2000, representing 2.1 percent of the population. The number of welfare recipients in the United States has declined by 8.4 million, a decrease of 59.4 percent between 1994 and 2000.

Canada has also experienced declines in the number of welfare recipients. The number of welfare beneficiaries in Canada has dropped from a high of 3.1 million in 1994, an astonishing 10.7 percent of the population, to 2.1 million in 2000, representing 6.8 percent of the population. Between 1994 and 2000, the number of welfare beneficiaries dropped by 1,015,000, a decline of 32.7 percent over six years.

However, the current number of welfare beneficiaries in Canada is still 155,000 more than at the beginning of the decade. Furthermore, even after a six year period of decline, the percentage of Canadians receiving welfare (6.8 percent) is still well above the U.S. peak (5.5 percent) prior to reform.

Healthcare is taxing our resources, ingenuity and resourcefulness, and will continue to do so into the foreseeable future. However the facts remains that we spend a smaller portion of our GDP on healthcare than the USA and our healthcare cost per capita is lower than that in the USA.

Healthcare in Canada is federally funded and provincially administered, and, until the made-in-america meltdown, our federal government has run budget surpluses for a decade and funded medicare. We have reduced our national debt significantly and funded healthcare for all of our citizens.

The challenges that we face are the same as those faced by every healthcare system in the developed world: aging baby boomers with too few children; increasingly expensive treatments and technology; shortages in healthcare professionals due to short sighted politicians not providing adequate funding to training programs.

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Originally Posted by simplyme

You have to ask?

A yes or no would suffice.