Last days

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The resurrection speaks of the body from Heaven in 2 Cor 5.

Paul stated that before AD70 his absence form his body in death woudl cause him to be present with the Lord outside his body. So this excludes soul sleep before AD70.

A body from Heaven is the body in the grace that is changed and altered to be made spiritual instead of natural. Jesus arose in a very spiritual body that was immortal, holding wounds it was slain with, yet very physical.

Jesus said a spirit did not have flesh and bones as He had after His resurrection. But a SPIRIT is not a SPIRITUAL BODY.

Not all wounds of Christ's were retained from the mortal body, though, since His visage was marred more than any man, and his visage did not look marred in the resurrection. But He selectively retained the wounds of nails and spear for purposes of showing his actual body that died had arisen again.

His body form the grave was a heavenly body, not due to its place of resurrection (the tomb), but due to its nature of immortality coming from heaven.

As Jesus arose, our bodies shall be fashioned in the same manner into spiritual bodies, quite physical. Phil. 3:21

And if I die today, I will indeed fly away. I will be absent from my body and present with the Lord. But absence from the body means I will have no body, spiritual or not, in that state. Paul implied there is NO body we have when we die and are absent from the body and present with the Lord at this time. This means we are temporarily naked without our bodies, -- absent from them -- which shall be rectified when the resurrection occurs.

Jeus was called the LORD FROM HEAVEN in 1 Cor 15 in contrasting His body from Adam's which was from the earth. 1 Cor 15's entire chapter is about "WITH WHAT BODY DO THEY COME?" (1 Cor 15:35). Christ's body came from the grave but He was called the LORD FROM HEAVEN in reference to that body since it otherwise would be the error of DIVINE FLESH saying the body from heaven is literally from heaven in origin and only and not origin of nature. 1 Cor 15 corresponds to 2 Cor 5. Jesus in His risen body is called the LORD FROM HEAVEN in 1 Cor 15 since the resurrection, not the incarnation.

My thoughts, anyway.

[ApostolicTexas]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Psalms 90:10 NIV
The length of our days is seventy years—
or eighty, if we have the strength; yet their span is but trouble and sorrow,
for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

Falla39

Were you trying to refute my post elder?

[ApostolicTexas]

The resurrection was a promise to Old Covenant Israel..
Acts 24:14- But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Where in the law and prophets can we read where they taught about bodies physically flying out of the grave? Paul said He did not preach ANY OTHER THING..except what was written in the law and the prophets. The law and the Prophets did not teach about a rapture but they did speak of a resurrection.We need to find out what their teaching about the resurrection was not what we think it is.

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

The resurrection was a promise to Old Covenant Israel..
Acts 24:14- But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Where in the law and prophets can we read where they taught about bodies physically flying out of the grave? Paul said He did not preach ANY OTHER THING..except what was written in the law and the prophets. The law and the Prophets did not teach about a rapture but they did speak of a resurrection.We need to find out what their teaching about the resurrection was not what we think it is.

Paul did not say he only preached the things written the law and prophets. He said he BELIEVED those things written in law and prophets. It is twisting what Paul said to say he meant he preached nothing except what the law and prophets stated. In fact, he said nothing in that verse you quote about what he preached. He simply commented on how he worshiped God. His point was that he never, in the smallest measure, detracted from the authority or authenticity of either law or prophets.


There are many things the law and prophets did not teach that Paul taught. The issue of marriage and divorce in 1 Cor 7 as Paul taught it, for example. Paul even said the Lord Jesus did not teach some of those things. Paul said they were HIS personal advice. But what Paul actually meant in the quote you make is that he did not disagree with anything the law and prophets said. He believed it all. But he did not say he limited his preaching to only what law and prophets said. Believing what law and prophets said is not the same thing as only preaching what law and prophets said. BIG difference.

To read what Paul taught about resurrection is to read of physical bodies coming from graves. Paul preached a revelation no one heard before. This is the mystery he revealed in 1 Cor 15. Paul said there were mysteries hidden from the foundation of the world and not taught before the church age. Just because they were not written in law and prophets did not mean Paul did not believe the things written in law and prophets.

No one WANTS there to be any sort of resurrection one way or another. It matters not, so long as there is a resurrection. But the simple fact is that Paul taught a physical resurrection from graves. I do not want that nor do I not want it. It's just that it is what Paul said.