Yet you will allow a greedy CEO and his bean counter be involved in your medical decisions.
Here again is what the greedy CEO does. He refuses to pay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_MvNF2GUE0
I have been on Medicare now for two years and not one time has someone from the government stepped between me and my doctor. I had what is considered elective surgery by many ins. company's on may eye lids last March. Medicare paid 80 % and my supplement ins paid the rest. My total out of pocket was $30.00 for the Hospital and $10.00 for the doctor.
Medicare cost is $ 96.00 per person a month. Not bad for a government run ins.
The problem is that Medicare is going bankrupt. Social Security bankrupt. Medicaid bankrupt. Canada's system is going bankrupt. Massachusetts has universal healthcare. Its going bankrupt. Tennessee had TehhCare, a program to insurance for all children. Bankrupt. They abandoned the program a few years ago.
The solution from the socialists? More taxes. And it won't be more taxes from the greedy CEOs. They will have to take it from the middle class to pay. European socialized medicine has pushed tax levels close to and over 50% in those countries. I say help the 15 million or so of the poorest Americans. The other 30 million are healhty ppl who choose not to pay for insurance b/c they are young and/or healthy.
There are plenty of ways to help the poor wout bankrupting the economy.
The Dems can keep pushing this if they want but they will at their own peril. The polling numbers look abysmal for 2010 for the Dems. Which is perfectly fine with me.
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The problem is that Medicare is going bankrupt. Social Security bankrupt. Medicaid bankrupt. Canada's system is going bankrupt. Massachusetts has universal healthcare. Its going bankrupt. Tennessee had TehhCare, a program to insurance for all children. Bankrupt. They abandoned the program a few years ago.
The solution from the socialists? More taxes. And it won't be more taxes from the greedy CEOs. They will have to take it from the middle class to pay. European socialized medicine has pushed tax levels close to and over 50% in those countries. I say help the 15 million or so of the poorest Americans. The other 30 million are healhty ppl who choose not to pay for insurance b/c they are young and/or healthy.
There are plenty of ways to help the poor wout bankrupting the economy.
The Dems can keep pushing this if they want but they will at their own peril. The polling numbers look abysmal for 2010 for the Dems. Which is perfectly fine with me.
Canada's healthcare system is facing the challenges of increasingly expensive technologies and treatments and an aging population, but I'm curious why you would say that "Canada's system is going bankrupt."
Healthcare in Canada is funded by the federal government and administered by the various provincial governments. The Government of Canada has run a surplus in its budget for a decade or so until the "Made in America" financial crisis landed on our shores.
I live in a small province that lacks the economy of scale and robust economy of larger areas, and I don't have any complaint with our medicare system. It may not be perfect, but I think that you will find that most Canadians are proud of, and willing to pay for our medicare program.
As a point of curiosity: If my family and I lived in the USA, what would we expect to pay for full coverage healthcare, without deductible or limits of coverage. (Note: Our healthcare in the province in which I live does not cover dental care or prescription drugs)
That's one part of this whole debate that really bothers me. Healthcare is rationed in this country as we speak. Insurance companies do it daily to millions of people.
When I see these people at town hall meetings and on TV ranting about not letting the gov't ration healthcare, I think what rock have you been under.
Rationing of healthcare is an interesting wrinkle in the discussion. After a lifetime of hospital visits and pastoring seniors and people with chronic and terminal illnesses, I have never heard of a Canadian being denied required medical care on the basis of cost.
Rationing of healthcare is an interesting wrinkle in the discussion. After a lifetime of hospital visits and pastoring seniors and people with chronic and terminal illnesses, I have never heard of a Canadian being denied required medical care on the basis of cost.
Nor will you find that in America. There are some procedures that are not coverd by most insurance companies if they are experimental in nature or cosometic, depending on the insurance you have.
But there is rationing in both Canada and America.
Studies have proven time and again that the wait for non-life threatening surgery is vastly longer in Canada and Europe. Hip replacement surgery as an example takes months in Brittan (I dont have facts so I wont speak for Canada but I believe it is also like Brittan)
In America it is 16 days.
But we do have a form of rationing. If you dont have health insurance, you may face some limits on elective surgery. But every person in America gets life saving treatment regardless of cost.
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That's one part of this whole debate that really bothers me. Healthcare is rationed in this country as we speak. Insurance companies do it daily to millions of people.
When I see these people at town hall meetings and on TV ranting about not letting the gov't ration healthcare, I think what rock have you been under.
Mike the difference is in America the rationing is tied to a persons individual choice. with countries with nationalized healthcare, the individual has no choice and the government rations.
I like our form far better.
At the end of the day, those of us with insurance now will have something less than what we have, for the purpose of providing insurance to those without it.
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The problem is that Medicare is going bankrupt. Social Security bankrupt. Medicaid bankrupt.
Deacon Fact matters if there is to be honest discussion.
You are right these programs are going bankrupt but not because of pay out but because congress (both Dems & Rep.)steal funds from these programs to fund things not in the budget.
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Canada's system is going bankrupt.
The facts say this is not correct, also a br. in the Lord from Canada says it's not true.
I think people believe what the clowns on talk radio and Fox news spew without checking for them self.
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Massachusetts has universal healthcare. Its going bankrupt. Tennessee had TehhCare, a program to insurance for all children. Bankrupt. They abandoned the program a few years ago.
Don't know the facts on this one, yet!!! Will take your word.
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[The solution from the socialists? More taxes. And it won't be more taxes from the greedy CEOs. They will have to take it from the middle class to pay. European socialized medicine has pushed tax levels close to and over 50% in those countries. I say help the 15 million or so of the poorest Americans. The other 30 million are healhty ppl who choose not to pay for insurance b/c they are young and/or healthy.
"Read my lips" Sound familiar? So you are saying Bush senior is a socialist?
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There are plenty of ways to help the poor wout bankrupting the economy.
There are millions of people who can not buy health ins. because of various reasons, none relating to being poor.
The poor can not get long term care. MB Anderson cancer in Houston refuses to give care to the poor and even those that have group health ins.on their jobs.
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The Dems can keep pushing this if they want but they will at their own peril. The polling numbers look abysmal for 2010 for the Dems. Which is perfectly fine with me.
If they push this through as you say, it will have the opposite effect. There will be less Republicans elected in 2010,which is perfectly fine with me.
But we do have a form of rationing. If you dont have health insurance, you may face some limits on elective surgery. But every person in America gets life saving treatment regardless of cost.
Ferd your statement is not completely correct. The poor do not get long term care. A cancer patient with no ins. does not see a Dr. in his office unless he or she pays out of pocket. Not all poor people qualify for programs like Medicaid.
Nor will you find that in America. There are some procedures that are not coverd by most insurance companies if they are experimental in nature or cosometic, depending on the insurance you have.
Except you do find that in America. Who deems procedures experimental in nature? A doctor who's swore to an oath to do his/her best to treat you? No.
I can tell you who deemed it that for Nataline Sarkisyan. Cigna Insurance Company deemed it experimental. Her doctors sent Cigna a letter saying that she needed the transplant, BUT the insurance company denied it on Dec. 11 before reversing course and approving it on Dec. 20. Nataline died hours later because it was "approved" to late.
That doesn't sound like doctors making decisions for the best interest of the patient to me Ferd. It sounds like greedy insurance companies rationing care based on cost. Healthcare in America is rationed everyday by insurance companies without regard for even what the doctor says is best for the patient.
Mike the difference is in America the rationing is tied to a persons individual choice. with countries with nationalized healthcare, the individual has no choice and the government rations.
I like our form far better.
At the end of the day, those of us with insurance now will have something less than what we have, for the purpose of providing insurance to those without it.
So you're ok with denying and rationing healthcare as long as you can pay private insurance companies incredibly high premiums to ration and deny you? You just don't want some type of public option doing the same thing to you at a lower premium?
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At the end of the day, those of us with insurance now will have something less than what we have, for the purpose of providing insurance to those without it.
Now there's the philosophical crux of the matter.
Either healthcare is a basic human right or it's a luxury for the well-to-do.
MB Anderson cancer in Houston refuses to give care to the poor and even those that have group health ins.on their jobs.
which is perfectly fine with me.
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