Any willing to answer my question?

[Tim Rutledge]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Bro. Rutledge,

I believe Baron just cyber-slapped you.

Thats baron just being baron.

[Tim Rutledge]

Originally Posted by Timmy

How can I tell if my pastor is called of God?

ask em.. if you think he is a liar.. leave.

[Tim Rutledge]

Originally Posted by Neck

So did Paul Pastor all the churches in the New Testament? Or was he the overseer of the churches? Did the pastor's in these churches have to submit to Paul? Mayby an off the subject question just wondering your thoughts.

A real Bishop IMO. is a Pastor who started a church then placed a pastor into that Church and he'd go on to help or start another work. And yes you always answer to your Bishop (overseer).

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

ask em.. if you think he is a liar.. leave.

What if I'm wrong? (Some think I'm always wrong! )

[Tim Rutledge]

Originally Posted by Timmy

What if I'm wrong? (Some think I'm always wrong! )

then you'll split hell wide open..

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

So pastors practiced submission within the New Testament church, yet, that's no longer a practice amongst us now?

To whom then can Heb 13:7 apply to, only saints? When you were pastoring, who were you submitted to?

Originally Posted by Neck

So did Paul Pastor all the churches in the New Testament? Or was he the overseer of the churches? Did the pastor's in these churches have to submit to Paul? Mayby an off the subject question just wondering your thoughts.

Bump for Bro. Epley.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

then you'll split hell wide open..

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Recently I dialogged with hometownguy and raised an interesting question that has yet been answered. I'm not sure whether hometownguy missed or overlooked the question, however, I can vouch for hometownguy's authenticity as a man of God.

I recall before resigning my membership at conservative apostolic forum, they enforced non-questioning of certain spiritual-regulations and/or theological beliefs. Yet, within my mindset I quote and practice Peter's comment of "give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason."

I will restate my question and direct it towards "pastor brethren" that resigned from the UPCI after "the advertisement" resolution succeeded. Recently while in attendance of a church service, they were preaching about men/women adhering to their pastor/elder's advise, and that congregants should endure through certain situations and trust their pastors/elders instead of leaving the church. While the preacher reinforced this mentality, these fine pastor brethren on the platform clapped in agreement.Yet, these fine brethren resigned from the UPCI, after being advised not to resign by thier elders, and claimed "God's will."

However, if a congregant leaves one of these pastor's churches and claims God's will, the congregant is backslidden and going to hell? Where is the validity in this matter? I challenge any "man of God" with this mentality of thinking to gird up your loins and address my question!

I think Bro. Epley has answered the question very well. Like he said its apples and oranges. How can an org be your elder. For a certain number of years Bro. “so and so” in your elder and then oops his terms up and now Bro. “So And so” is now your elder or God forbid now Sis ‘So and so”
The men that I know did listen to their elders.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Neck

So did Paul Pastor all the churches in the New Testament? Or was he the overseer of the churches? Did the pastor's in these churches have to submit to Paul? Mayby an off the subject question just wondering your thoughts.

an example of paul of todays world would be someone like elder Morton that has his men go out and start churches and he is the overseer. all bro. motons men submit them selves to him yet they are pastors of their local church. Paul was not like an org that can carless what your doing as long as your dues are paid.

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

I think Bro. Epley has answered the question very well. Like he said its apples and oranges. How can an org be your elder. For a certain number of years Bro. “so and so” in your elder and then oops his terms up and now Bro. “So And so” is now your elder or God forbid now Sis ‘So and so”
The men that I know did listen to their elders.

Hometownguy,


I don't think I referred to an "org" as an elder, but instead referred to individuals as elders, within an organization. Since you used Bro. Morton as an example, so will I.

Say Bro. Morton's pastor is UPCI, and lets also "pretend" Bro. Morton submits to Elder Paul Price. If Bro. Morton is advised not to leave UPCI by these two fine men, and yet he does, is that an example of rebelling against your elders and defying God's word?

Can Bro. Morton use the term "God's will" as an excuse for leaving UPCI, after being advised not to leave? If yes, when individuals leave certain "conservative" circles, why can't these individuals claim "God's will" also?


I will await your answer!