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04-28-2009, 04:20 PM
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Re: Phillips, Craig and Dean to sing @ POA!
OK LadyRev, but who are you accusing of doing this? I only mentioned the concert and that that I was shocked that they are going to be there. I think it is TOTALLY awesome that it is happening. I think that the UPC is on the cusp of some greater things than they have accomplished thus far. The good things that will be happening will be outside the norm or what once was. If you had me in mind on the gossip front then think again. I know that the POA are 3 steppers and the PCD aren't. Not a big deal but thought that perhaps it was an interesting talking point.
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04-28-2009, 06:16 PM
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Re: Phillips, Craig and Dean to sing @ POA!
Maybe the POA and some of the other three-steppers "are looking our way."
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04-28-2009, 06:23 PM
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Re: Phillips, Craig and Dean to sing @ POA!
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Originally Posted by Sam
According to the doctrine of many leaders and teachers in the UPC, a person is not saved with a hope of Heaven and is not born again and therefore is not a child of God without the "three steps" of salvation. If the DJ or the Gospel artists have not been immersed in water with the name Jesus invoked over them, they are still a child of the devil --even if they speak with tongues they don't have the REAL Holyghost but some counterfeit experience. Is it right to have SINNERS on your platform? Is it right to have CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL with short sleeves, short hair, makeup and jewelry on a Pentecostal Platform and behind a Pentecostal Pulpit? Isn't this defiling the House of God?
Note. These are not my beliefs but they do represent many in Oneness Pentecost.
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Very few in the UPC, and even fewer that matter in any significant way.
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04-28-2009, 07:02 PM
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Re: Phillips, Craig and Dean to sing @ POA!
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Very few in the UPC, and even fewer that matter in any significant way.
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You seriously think so? I know very, very few - if any - Oneness Pentecostals who think any trinitarian will be saved (besides the people on AFF who believe that).
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04-28-2009, 08:12 PM
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Re: Phillips, Craig and Dean to sing @ POA!
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You seriously think so? I know very, very few - if any - Oneness Pentecostals who think any trinitarian will be saved (besides the people on AFF who believe that).
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Ok - well I know many, even in the UPC, but there was also much more to the post I quoted than that.
As to Oneness Pentecostals in general, I will say the vast majority believe some Trinitarians will be in heaven.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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04-28-2009, 09:30 PM
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Re: Phillips, Craig and Dean to sing @ POA!
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Ok - well I know many, even in the UPC, but there was also much more to the post I quoted than that.
As to Oneness Pentecostals in general, I will say the vast majority believe some Trinitarians will be in heaven.
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Um, not where I come from....it's Oneness all the way, for there is no other way!
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04-28-2009, 09:36 PM
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Re: Phillips, Craig and Dean to sing @ POA!
I will say I am not surprised the POA is having PC&D...wasn't Kenneth Phillips just there not too long ago? And the Gaither Vocal Band has sang there as well...I think it's awesome that they open their church as a musical venue to reach out to others!
When you are a leader such as AM, you are slammed if you do and slammed if you don't. Lucky for all of us he doesn't care! He just continues to do what he feels and I think he's doing an excellent job in Alex! And for the record, I am no longer UPC, so I really shouldn't have an opinion  !!
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04-28-2009, 09:53 PM
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Re: Phillips, Craig and Dean to sing @ POA!
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Um, not where I come from....it's Oneness all the way, for there is no other way!
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AG, I will concede that many UPC churches have such an approach. However, the UPC has only a few million members worldwide.
Using Bro Talmage French's numbers in "Our God is One", there are between 23 and 30 million "Oneness Pentecostals" in the world... "Oneness Pentecostals" being defined as those who invoke "Jesus" at baptism and teach the infilling of the Spirit is accompanied with the sign of speaking in tongues.
I doubt the majority of those believe the body of Christ is made up of only those who believe like them. There are plenty who fit the criteria and still are more mainstream - like TD Jakes and the Potter's House and Nashville's Christ Church.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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04-28-2009, 09:57 PM
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Re: Phillips, Craig and Dean to sing @ POA!
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
AG, I will concede that many UPC churches have such an approach. However, the UPC has only a few million members worldwide.
Using Bro Talmage French's numbers there are between 23 and 30 million Oneness Pentecostals in the world... Oneness Pentecostals being defined as those who invoke "Jesus" at baptism and teach the infilling of the Spirit is accompanied with the sign of speaking in tongues.
I doubt the majority of those believe the body of Christ is made up of only those who believe like them.
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Yes, you are right...the UPC almost always has that approach. And thank you for acknowledging the fact that the UPC is relatively small in comparison to the number of Oneness Pentecostals worldwide!! When I was UPC, I got into the rut of thinking we were the only ones with truth (well, us and the ALJC)! LOL
And I agree with your last statement! 
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04-29-2009, 02:29 AM
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Re: Phillips, Craig and Dean to sing @ POA!
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Originally Posted by LadyRev
Lord forgive me...
What came to my mind after reading some these posts is as follows, but abbreviated....
The UPC/POA is D_ _ _ ed if they do and D _ _ _ ed if they don't. So why not go for it and do whatever is believed to be acceptable according to the pastor/congregation?
There...now you can gossip about "acceptable terminology" used by a preacher instead of gossiping about POA.
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