Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Ron

Again MiOW, it is about education.
If they lied about this, what else are they lying to you about?
We don't want to go down that road for fear of where it will lead us.

What is in your preamble to the Constitution?
"We the people.... not We the Government!"

It is the people who are supposed to be in control, politicians are accountable to the people.

They can not be accountable if people do not know what is going on?

You are sure gullible and uneducated

As part of our 100Q set that commemorates tax scam artists, we add Bob Schultz, who currently runs "We the People". In addition to getting out the words on tax protestor strategies guaranteed to win a visit to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, "We the People" shamelessly markets Interactive CD-ROMs on the unofficial "Truth in Taxation Hearings" for $29.95 and Bob Schultz's own "Tax Termination Package" for $39.95 containing various materials that Bob has sent the IRS and Congress over the years (and which undoubtedly were immediately placed into "File 13" where they belong).

"We the People" is also associated with indicted tax scammer and fellow Quatlooser Lynne Meredith. But not withstanding the indictment, "We the People" has continued to be one of the most aggressive marketers of bogus materials, going so far as to run full-page advertisements in USA Today (which you can -- shock -- also buy reprints of). They also sell phone services and similar junk more befitting of a bad multi-level marketing website than a group which purports to be political in nature.

We can google all kinds of tax frauds that have libertarian expressions in their name.

First, there is the decision of the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in the case of United States v. Edward Louis Kotmair, 2001 WL 394888 (4th Cir., April 19, 2001) AFFIRMING the stiffest of criminal penalties by law when there is proof of association with known tax-protesters who spread spread frivolous and res judicata arguments.

Todays protests must be directed to congress to lighten up on taxatiomn. Not address tax cheating like Ron seems to be fond of on youtupe annecdotes.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by coadie

There are an incredibly huge numbers of laws. You aren't honest enough to admit it.

There are a lot of tax protestor nut cases that claim there are no laws.

Well that was easy.

No research of your own.

I assume you didn't watch the video.

just a quick challenge to the man's honesty and an even quicker reference to "tax protester nut cases" and VOILA.

Case Closed.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Well that was easy.

No research of your own.

I assume you didn't watch the video.

just a quick challenge to the man's honesty and an even quicker reference to "tax protester nut cases" and VOILA.

Case Closed.

One of us passed the CPA exam. Guess who?

There are 200 lawyers in one of the firms in my office building that deal with urban tax miyths off the street. They have large departments that work taxation. I am sure they don't watch youtube.

I would say I have done a little tax research.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by coadie

One of us passed the CPA exam. Guess who?

There are 200 lawyers in one of the firms in my office building that deal with urban tax miyths off the street. They have large departments that work taxation. I am sure they don't watch youtube.

I would say I have done a little tax research.

Yes sir... they have been taught well and have been given the proper procedures to do so.

But, albeit in my lowly estate of having not passed the bar or the cpa exam, I do know that there is one item not included in all of their procedures which so swiftly make those who question status quo feel like lowly idiots for even asking the question...

That item that is not included in their repertoire is this... a copy of the law.

They can ridicule.

They can tell me how stupid I am for asking the question.

They can say us "Of COURSE there's a law"

But can they show us the law?

No sir... they cannot.

Because there isn't one.

If you would watch the video you would see IRS Agents who flippantly thought they would "set these idiots straight" and set out to show them the law.

It wasn't there.

They quit.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Yes sir... they have been taught well and have been given the proper procedures to do so.

But, albeit in my lowly estate of having not passed the bar or the cpa exam, I do know that there is one item not included in all of their procedures which so swiftly make those who question status quo feel like lowly idiots for even asking the question...

That item that is not included in their repertoire is this... a copy of the law.

They can ridicule.

They can tell me how stupid I am for asking the question.

They can say us "Of COURSE there's a law"

But can they show us the law?

No sir... they cannot.

Because there isn't one.

If you would watch the video you would see IRS Agents who flippantly thought they would "set these idiots straigth" and set out to show them the law.

It wasn't there.

They quit.

The law has been pointed out several times.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by coadie

You are sure gullible and uneducated

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

The law has been pointed out several times.

Well do me a favor and point it out again for me

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You are right, Baron.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html

Embellished in 16th Amendment

Passed by Congress July 2, 1909
Ratified February 3, 1913

Originally Posted by Baron1710

The 16th Amendment, which specifically authorizes the income tax, was proposed on July 12, 1909.

1 Alabama Aug 10, 1909
2 Kentucky Feb 8, 1910
3 South Carolina Feb 19, 1910
4 Illinois Mar 1, 1910
5 Mississippi Mar 7, 1910
6 Oklahoma Mar 10, 1910
7 Maryland Apr 8, 1910
8 Georgia Aug 3, 1910
9 Texas Aug 16, 1910
10 Ohio Jan 19, 1911
11 Idaho Jan 20, 1911
12 Oregon Jan 23, 1911
13 Washington Jan 26, 1911
14 Montana Jan 30, 1911
15 Indiana Jan 30, 1911
16 California Jan 31, 1911
17 Nevada Jan 31, 1911
18 South Dakota Feb 3, 1911
19 Nebraska Feb 9, 1911
20 North Carolina Feb 11, 1911
21 Colorado Feb 15, 1911
22 North Dakota Feb 17, 1911
23 Kansas Feb 18, 1911
24 Michigan Feb 23, 1911
25 Iowa Feb 24, 1911
26 Missouri Mar 16, 1911
27 Maine Mar 31, 1911
28 Tennessee Apr 7, 1911
29 Arkansas Apr 22, 1911
30 Wisconsin May 26, 1911
31 New York Jul 12, 1911
32 Arizona Apr 6, 1912
33 Minnesota Jun 11, 1912
34 Louisiana Jun 28, 1912
35 West Virginia Jan 31, 1913
36 New Mexico Feb 3, 1913 *
37 Massachusetts Mar 4, 1913
38 New Hampshire Mar 7, 1913
Ratified in 1302 days

This amendment was specifically rejected by New Hampshire on Mar 2, 1911. It was also rejected by Arkansas prior to its subsequent ratification, and by Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Utah.

http://www.usconstitution.net/constamrat.html

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Well do me a favor and point it out again for me

There ya go.

[rgcraig]

coadie - meet Baron............he might give you a run for you money!

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

There ya go.

Well... I figured that was what you were talking about.

1. This constitutional amendment is not a law that forces a tax on me. it is, albeit unconstitional, an amendment that gives them the right to make such a law.

So... albeit unconstitional... we will let that slide for now...

The 16th amendment gave them the right to impose a direct (unconstitutional) and unapportioned (unconstitional) tax on the income of the American people.

Let's say I accept that.

So... where is the law they made in response to the amendment giving them the right to do so.

The amendment isn't a law creating taxation.

The amendment is the granting (albeit unconstitutional) to impose a direct & unapportioned tax on the income of americans.

So... I repeat.

Show

Me

The

Law.

Not the amendment that gave them the right to make the law.