Understanding Holiness

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

What do you mean by this?

Terrified to look like some of them folks.

Just kidding!!!

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

I have no problem with the way a lady dresses but if the UPC is going to let ladies wear pants then I think it needs to be addressed from the pulpit the pastor needs to say hey it is ok for a lady to wear pants not just skip over it and dodge it.

Why do you think it should be addressed from the pulpit?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

I have no problem with the way a lady dresses but if the UPC is going to let ladies wear pants then I think it needs to be addressed from the pulpit the pastor needs to say hey it is ok for a lady to wear pants not just skip over it and dodge it.

That's where the standards have been anything but standard and tends to be confusing. It's okay to wear rings in the north, but not the south. It's okay to own a tv in some areas, but not others.

[KWSS1976]

So all the congregation will know that a lady can truly wear pants and still be modest..

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

So all the congregation will know that a lady can truly wear pants and still be modest..

You'd need this to be proclaimed from the pulpit to make it so?

Sounds more like a message on judgmentalism would be better.

[coadie]

Many pentecoastals are terrified of standards.

What do you mean by this?

In Exodus god gave Moses the spiritual leader the authority to draw a line . If they crossed a line, they would touch the mountain and die. His Bro aaron and sis Miriam were under his godly authority and leadership.
Today there is even an expression called spiritual Abuse. it paints people that "submit" to authority of a Shepherd as being in bondage and under spiritual abuse.
It is ironic that Exodus 20 started off by telling the Jews God delivered them from bondage and so authority and lwas are not bondage.
Today the ones in bondage are still living with worldly habits, values and struggle against spiritual leadership.

In another examople, when starting a converstaion with a woman, ask what the word submission means and how submission looks. It is a great converstation starter for discussing their greatest fear.

Everyone on this planet has standards. There are a lot of variations of standards and sources of standards.

Atheists have standards.

[KWSS1976]

See if the pastor says hey ladies cannot wear pants because it is not modest then all the women that are wearing pants can get up and leave. If you now accept the fact that women can wear pants and still be modest let all the UPC know so everyone will be on the same page

[MrsMcD]

I don't think the pulpit is a place to talk about standards. I know plenty that do but I also know some that never would.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

You'd need this to be proclaimed from the pulpit to make it so?

Sounds more like a message on judgmentalism would be better.

Ding, ding, ding!!!! We have a winner folks.

More than one message though. It takes a lot of teaching, prayer, study of the Word, etc for someone to change the paradigm in which they view standards.

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

See if the pastor says hey ladies cannot wear pants because it is not modest then all the women that are wearing pants can get up and leave. If you now accept the fact that women can wear pants and still be modest let all the UPC know so everyone will be on the same page

I seriously doubt that everyone would be on the same page anyway because some of the old timers would probably still wear skirts all the time instead of pants. JMHO