Race Based Government?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Actually, Prax, you're not making a lot of sense here.

Are you serious? There are a lot of people who dislike other races apart from whites or whatever race/races they prefer.

3 examples from my personal experience/interactions:

I personally heard a remark made by a hispanic man, who clearly did not like blacks, although he has no problem with with whites people.

I also had a former co-worker who's black, and is married to an Asian woman but he's stated plainly he does not like white people.

I also know of a young white man who said he's ok with all other races, but dislikes the Indian people who live in his town.

A racist is someone that views all other races as inferior but their own. And in this case, since i was to google her and the word "racist" I discovered she even hates asians...being a filipina that is odd

Some people are prejudiced toward some races, but not all. Did you not know that?

Is that racism? Anyways, the point was, from what I have read, she hates all races but whites....sounds like someone is trying to distort her conservative view to me

I dont know where you live, but I've spent most of my life in New York City, probably the most racially diverse city in America, so I've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly when it comes to this stuff.

You can explain to me later how that is relevant. I live in Southern California. We have little TJ, little Manila, little China town and a host of others. In short. I am up to my white ears in non-whites...unless you consider light skinned Mexicans whites. Not sure if that Qualifies me for something but I noticed it always becomes part of someone's argument around here so I thought I would toss that in. This city is mostly Hispanic. My schools when I was a kid were mostly Hispanic. Lots of Asians. Handfuls of blacks. Pretty Diversified

I dont know why you feel the need to defend Malkin, and try to convince me that she's not really a racist.

Why would you assume that what I posted was a need or a feeling? I did what you asked. I googled her name and racism...I found out she even hates asians...which she happens to be. Very odd. I don't know why you feel the need to vilify her and try to convince me she really is a racist.

Call her whatever you want.
I know what I call people like her.

And I would be willing to bet she would defend you right to your opinion too :-)

I'm also smart enough that many conservatives, whether they be writers, or talk show hosts, know that being outwardly, blatantly racist does not play well in today's society.

Can you give us an example of her blatent racism?

But when you listen to enough of their "conservative", "nationalistic" talk long enough, it's not hard to figure out where they're coming from, or what audience they're trying to appeal to with some of the things they're saying.

Americans? No wait..whites? So.....this filipina hates asians too? Odd bed fellows but I suppose it is possible. Me though? Im not going to condemn her based on hearsay. If you want to, go ahead and post some stuff by her that is blatently racist.

There are a lot of conservatives I've been listeing to and reading for years now (like Hannity, Ingram, Levin, Sullivan, Novak etc) who I dontconsider racist at all, and they dontsay the kind of the racially inflammatory things Malkin's been known to say. I know what race-baiting is. I've heard and read enough of her stuff long enough to know what I'm talking about.

And you are welcome to quote her so the rest of us can see your point, rather than hear your opinion. I welcome it!

If you want to call her a "nationalist", fine. Suit yourself, Prax.

She IS a nationalist. She might also be a racist too.

But I've found that most of the time, if it smells like a rat, its a rat.

So far all I have seen is someone else saying she is a racist.

[ChTatum]

Rascist?

She believes in the inherent superiority or inferiority of ethnic groups based on genetics?


She may be prejudiced, or bigoted, but I sincerely doubt she is a racist. BTW, most of us are prejudiced in at least one way or another. My wife prefers Hunt's ketchup to Heinz.

Re-define words if you will, my hope is the rapture occurs before the dumbing down of America is complete.



Jesus, You better hurry!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

A racist is someone that views all other races as inferior but their own. And in this case, since i was to google her and the word "racist" I discovered she even hates asians...being a filipina that is odd


Is that racism? Anyways, the point was, from what I have read, she hates all races but whites....sounds like someone is trying to distort her conservative view to me


You can explain to me later how that is relevant. I live in Southern California. We have little TJ, little Manila, little China town and a host of others. In short. I am up to my white ears in non-whites...unless you consider light skinned Mexicans whites. Not sure if that Qualifies me for something but I noticed it always becomes part of someone's argument around here so I thought I would toss that in. This city is mostly Hispanic. My schools when I was a kid were mostly Hispanic. Lots of Asians. Handfuls of blacks. Pretty Diversified



Why would you assume that what I posted was a need or a feeling? I did what you asked. I googled her name and racism...I found out she even hates asians...which she happens to be. Very odd. I don't know why you feel the need to vilify her and try to convince me she really is a racist.


And I would be willing to bet she would defend you right to your opinion too :-)


Can you give us an example of her blatent racism?



Americans? No wait..whites? So.....this filipina hates asians too? Odd bed fellows but I suppose it is possible. Me though? Im not going to condemn her based on hearsay. If you want to, go ahead and post some stuff by her that is blatently racist.


And you are welcome to quote her so the rest of us can see your point, rather than hear your opinion. I welcome it!


She IS a nationalist. She might also be a racist too.


So far all I have seen is someone else saying she is a racist.

This post so misses the point on so many levels, that it's not worth me investing much more of my time getting into all this.

My original stated opinion was that I considered her to be borderline racist, at least.
You and Pel asked why I had that opinion, and I gave some reasons why -- not to try to convince you of anything, but just to somewhat explain why I had formed that opinion.

However, much of the resulting discussion has become extraneous and irrelevant.

I think it's fair to say I've probably read more of her stuff and heard more of her interviews than most of us on this thread, so I think my opinion is based on a seeing patterns in a lot of her material, not a conclusion reached by browsing a site or some articles for a few minutes.

Since it's an opinion which I'm entitled to, I really have nothing to prove, and feel no need to "win" the discussion/argument, nor is there a need for me to further justify/explain my opinion to anyone.

At this point, my OPINION remains my opinion.
And yours remains yours.

So you have a good night, sir.

[ChTatum]

Yo bro, it ain't his post that's missing the point.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by ChTatum

Rascist?

She believes in the inherent superiority or inferiority of ethnic groups based on genetics?


She may be prejudiced, or bigoted, but I sincerely doubt she is a racist. BTW, most of us are prejudiced in at least one way or another. My wife prefers Hunt's ketchup to Heinz.

Re-define words if you will, my hope is the rapture occurs before the dumbing down of America is complete.


Jesus, You better hurry!

(I was pretty much done with this topic, but this post really deserves a response...)

Redefine words?

So you're making a distinction between being prejudiced and being racist?

That's an artificial distinction, CH

Racism and prejudice are part and parcel of the same thing, but don't take my word for it:

Main Entry:rac·ism 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
— rac·ist \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

[ChTatum]

Go back a few years and define it, brother.

Artificial? Nah, dated perhaps, but not artificial.

And yes, brother, there is a distinction for those who care enough to study the English language.

[ChTatum]

BTW, brother, just to give you a point of reference, I am probably (and the word is "probably" not "prolly" what is that?????) to the right of Goldwater.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

That part makes no sense to me. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there, or how it applies to anything I've said.
No need for me to comment further on that.

There appears to be no "sarcasm" smiley so I was left to trust your good sense.

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Maybe you did miss it, it or maybe she finally removed it after steadfastly refusing to at first. But whether the link is still there or not... what does that matter in 2009?

The Vdare controversy was several years ago. I don't go to her site anymore, and I dint know, neither do I care if and when she removed the link.

It wasnt a charge. It was an opinion, --an opinion formed one formed by reading a lot more of her stuff than you've read so far.

An opinion -- I'm still allowed to have one of those, right?

Don't be so sensitive here, bro. I am allowed to question your opinion, right?

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I notice you cut off the rest of my sentence. Not good.
What I said was: "I dont remember the specifics right now, since it's been a few years now"

Not remembering the specifics of a discussion does not mean a person does not remember the essence of what was said.

Maybe if you're going to quote someone you might want to not cut off part of what they're saying, in such a way that it might misrepresent what they said.

Some people might consider that to be a bit misleading. I'd hate to think you'd be intentionally misleading, in an effort to make a point or win an argument.

Still too sensitive. All I did was question your put-down of Michelle Malkin and ask for your casus belli. Your responses so far have been to say, in essence: "I don't remember..." and "I don't remember specifics..."

Needless to say, I am not convinced by your statements that she is a racist nor, so far, that she has ever said anything that might be construed as racist. She does appear to have ticked you off pretty good, though.

Originally Posted by TRFrance

That would not only be unfair, unfounded, and untrue, but I would also consider it somewhat stupid to make such a comment, since I never even brought her race into the discussion.


Have a good night.

But you brought race in general into the discussion. You slammed a popular pundit with what I consider to be a rather odious charge. When I asked about that, you bristled and came after me. Still, not even a hint or a quote to substantiate your charges.

Michelle Malkin must be pretty good to have come through such a nasty attack unscathed. I think you have convinced to to start paying more attention to her. Thanks, and good night.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

This post so misses the point on so many levels, that it's not worth me investing much more of my time getting into all this.

My original stated opinion was that I considered her to be borderline racist, at least.
You and Pel asked why I had that opinion, and I gave some reasons why -- not to try to convince you of anything, but just to somewhat explain why I had formed that opinion.

However, much of the resulting discussion has become extraneous and irrelevant.

I think it's fair to say I've probably read more of her stuff and heard more of her interviews than most of us on this thread, so I think my opinion is based on a seeing patterns in a lot of her material, not a conclusion reached by browsing a site or some articles for a few minutes.

Since it's an opinion which I'm entitled to, I really have nothing to prove, and feel no need to "win" the discussion/argument, nor is there a need for me to further justify/explain my opinion to anyone.

At this point, my OPINION remains my opinion.
And yours remains yours.

So you have a good night, sir.

and I agreed you are entitled to it and I also agreed to look at whatever you can present from her so that I might see why you have that opinion.. I didn't put my words in a "if you want to win" way...maybe you just did not read what I posted....

My opinion? I don't know enough to have one of her. That was why I asked you.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Needless to say, I am not convinced by your statements that she is a racist nor, so far, that she has ever said anything that might be construed as racist.

You're not "convinced"? That was never what this was about. At least not in my mind.

Let me make this part clear again. I made a comment based on my opinion. You asked why I had that opinion. I gave you a brief, broad idea why, and I gave you a google search to look into it more if you wanted, to form your own opinion.

It was never my mission, nor is there any burden of "proof" on me, to "convince" you that she is a racist. That seems to be the point that's being missed here.

Originally Posted by pelathais

But you brought race in general into the discussion.

huh?

How did I bring race into the discussion, when race is a key component of the discussion from the original post... and the thread is entitled "Race Based Government"??

I'll make myself clear again. ...I didn't bring HER race (Asian/Filipina) into this. Praxeas did, and you took it to the next level.

Neither did I say or indicate anything that would imply that maybe I "dont like Filipinos", as you tried to inject into the discussion with this:

Is it unfair for me to speculate that maybe you don't like Filipinos?

That was patently unfair, and frankly, a low blow.

Originally Posted by pelathais

She does appear to have ticked you off pretty good, though.

That she did. People of her ilk do.
There are a few of them out there that do that, and I largely ignore them too.

Originally Posted by pelathais

You slammed a popular pundit with what I consider to be a rather odious charge.

(Again, it's more an opinion than a charge, but anyway...)

An odious "charge" that I don't throw around lightly... but when it's deserved, its deserved.

Originally Posted by pelathais

Still, not even a hint or a quote to substantiate your charges.

Not a hint?
Are you kidding me ?
Did I not direct you to a google search where you can see where her racial sentiments have been much discussed on many websites? ... in order for you to reach your own opinion, since you asked? you dont consider that a "hint"?

I gave you a broad general idea of why I reached that conclusion. It is clearly somethig subject to interpretation, and a conclusion arrived at after seeing a continual pattern from her for a long time. There's no "quote" I can provide that could cause you to reach the same conclusion I did, neither is it important to me to convince you to have the same opinion I do on this.

At the end of the day, it's an opinion based on observation. I dont have to prove an opinion to anyone.

Besides, some opinions simply cant be "proven" in any real sense. If I tell you I consider Toyotas to be better than Hondas, I can tell you why I came to that conclusion, but I cant "prove" that Toyotas are better, especially if you're inclined for whatever reason to believe otherwise anyway. If, at the end of the day you feel Hondas are better, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

Originally Posted by pelathais

When I asked about that, you bristled and came after me.

(Wow. And you tell me I'm too sensitive.)

Not true. I did not "come after you".
Show me how I attacked you, since you're implying I did.

My apologies, Pel, if you feel I attacked you. I don't see where I attacked you at all. Feel free to show me though.

If anything, you're the one who "poisoned the well" with your odious question/speculation that perhaps I dislike Filipinos. I didnt ask for, nor do I particularly desire, for you to apologize for that remark, because I let junk like that roll off my back... but that comment toward me was more hideous than anything I've said to you or anyone else on this thread.