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Old 04-03-2007, 02:41 PM
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The priest is a subjective term, but everyone has their position in the role of the family. Men better know and fulfill their roles in leadership or the family is on their way to having the same significance and effectiveness as the Whig party.
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I must be the priest in my home - I keep getting burnt offerings.
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She can't -- she's too busy with tending to my robes.
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Bossy women and henpecked men will not be in the rapture.
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Old 04-03-2007, 02:47 PM
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But it is important for wives and mothers to know that there are some places they can't follow their husbands. And they better know that and not think there is some magical umbrella of protection in doing what their husbands want.
...what in the wide wide world of sports are you talking about?

What are these places they can't follow their husbands? We are talking of course about husbands, assumedly that are submitted to God...right?
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Old 04-03-2007, 02:51 PM
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...what in the wide wide world of sports are you talking about?

What are these places they can't follow their husbands? We are talking of course about husbands, assumedly that are submitted to God...right?
The "MEN'S" room for one.
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Old 04-03-2007, 02:54 PM
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The "MEN'S" room for one.
I'm pretty sure it isn't the bedroom.
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Old 04-03-2007, 02:58 PM
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I believe they are to lead spiritually.

Where did the "Husband is Priest" derive from?
1 Tim.2:[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.[15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety

Women can teach,preach,prophecy to other women.Titus2:[3] The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;[4] That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children

If a man,not a woman desires the office of bishop,a bishop MUST be able to teach and a woman can't teach a man.1 Tim.3:[1] This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.[2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;[3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

A WOMAN CAN"T RULE THE HOUSE [4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;[5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)[6] Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.[7] Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil
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Old 04-03-2007, 03:01 PM
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1 Tim.2:[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.[15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety

Women can teach,preach,prophecy to other women.Titus2:[3] The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;[4] That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children

If a man,not a woman desires the office of bishop,a bishop MUST be able to teach and a woman can't teach a man.1 Tim.3:[1] This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.[2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;[3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

A WOMAN CAN"T RULE THE HOUSE [4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;[5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)[6] Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.[7] Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil
Thank you, but you didn't answer the question. Does God call the man the "PRIEST" in the NT.

Please don't think that I am taking away from the headship and authority of the male in the home. I am not doing that as I know it wouldn't work in this home AND I wouldn't want it to.


I remember a women at church saying, "You need to take a frying pan to that husband once in a while." I said, "I don't think that would go over very well in our house." She walked off and didn't say a word.
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Old 04-03-2007, 03:03 PM
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women today in general wont let the man be in charge in the home.
women are IMO smarter then men and know how to out-talk, out-wit and manipulate with their emotions and other things so the Men often just cave in to save the family or have a little peace of mind. I see it in my church constantly. The men are whipped - i feel for them
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Old 04-03-2007, 03:23 PM
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The "MEN'S" room for one.
...there are some places we would rather them not follow.
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Old 04-03-2007, 03:30 PM
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...there are some places we would rather them not follow.
Where?
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Old 04-03-2007, 04:29 PM
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I did not want to get drawn into this. I agree that men not taking their role in the family is a HUGE isssue and a great hurt to families.

However, that being said... Scripture shows us that a family isn't necesarily doomed if the husband/father is not doing what he is suppose to (providing his wife doesn't just follow his lead).

I point to:

1. Abigail who acted to save her household;
Who then immediately went and committed adultery with David after Nabal died (committed adultery with him because he was already married).

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2. The wife of Moses who acted when God was on His way to kill Moses;
For not obeying God when he did not circumcise his son.

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3. The mother of the youngest king who must have raised him single handidly to seek God since his father was EVIL;
Do you mean the mother of Josiah? Where does the Bible say SHE contributed to his walk with God? It was only after a copy of the Law of Moses was found and he read it that he brought Israel to the place of national repentance.

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4. The mother and grandmother of Timothy who taught him to love God and truth;
But they weren't necessarily saved.

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5. Furthermore; we have some wonderful ministers today that were brought up to love God by their mother not their father's doing.
But the family was still a mess exactly because it was dysfunctional.

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This is not to say that dad is expendable.
Feminism, including so-called "Christian Feminism" says exactly that!

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FAR FROM IT. Society as a whole would benefit tremendously if Dads took their rightful places.
And if women didn't rebel against their husbands by refusing to let him "tell" her what to do and if they didn't otherwise try to undermine their husbands.

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But it is important for wives and mothers to know that there are some places they can't follow their husbands.
If we're talking about Christian husbands, I don't think there are very many such places, unless the husbands are leading in a direction away from God.
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