Bob Larson, "The Real Exorcist" - Page 4

nahkoe · #31 10-31-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

The last time we had to cast out devils, the possessed man almost overpowered about fifteen to twenty grown men from the congregation, myself included. It took a while, but deliverance finally came. I haven't seen any of Bob's cases that severe.(or any other TV preacher)

I'd like to hear more about that...

mfblume · #32 10-31-2008, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

The last time we had to cast out devils, the possessed man almost overpowered about fifteen to twenty grown men from the congregation, myself included. It took a while, but deliverance finally came. I haven't seen any of Bob's cases that severe.(or any other TV preacher)

When people act like that being delivered, they have not repented adequately. There is no fight when the person needing deliverance repents.

mfblume · #33 10-31-2008, 08:24 PM

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A guy doesn't have to be on the money to actually cast out devils, you know.

We know. That's the sad part.

If devils are coming out, who cares about the minister? lol That is a good thing! Doesn't condone the minister, though, again.

mfblume · #34 10-31-2008, 08:32 PM

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He's a fake. He has the same people sometimes on his "show" having a demon cast out. They are actors at the very least or mentally unstable at best. Crosses and Bibles slammed against their head is not how you cast out demons.

You're right that crosses and bibles on the person does nothing, but I think the events, themselves, were the real thing. I've seen a lot of this sort of thing in reality, and it was happening with Larson just as I saw it.

But Larson is giving into sensationalism. Even the term "exorcist" is showy.

As someone quoted, people cast out devils in Jesus' day who did not follow him. And Jesus rebuked His disciples for criticizing it. If it is the Spirit of God involved, we better watch we do not blaspheme. Blaspheming the Spirit was mentioned in association with Christ being criticized for casting out devils.

Ev. Duane Williams · #35 10-31-2008, 08:32 PM

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When people act like that being delivered, they have not repented adequately. There is no fight when the person needing deliverance repents.

Hard to repent when your mind and actions are controlled by devils, Bro.

mfblume · #36 10-31-2008, 08:35 PM

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Hard to repent when your mind and actions are controlled by devils, Bro.

Nobody is controlled that much. Even the demoniac ran to Jesus and worshiped him. A person has to stop the theatrics of the devil, and talk to the person about repentance. The devil does not control people as much as some think. A person simply should not bother unless the one needing deliverance has been settled down and spoken to about it. The devil enjoys all that attention, otherwise.

Ev. Duane Williams · #37 10-31-2008, 08:44 PM

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Nobody is controlled that much. Even the demoniac ran to Jesus and worshiped him. A person has to stop the theatrics of the devil, and talk to the person about repentance. The devil does not control people as much as some think. A person simply should not bother unless the one needing deliverance has been settled down and spoken to about it. The devil enjoys all that attention, otherwise.

Forgive me, but your response betrays an inexperience with devil possession. The first time I ever had to cast out devils(with my Pastor and other Anointed men and women of God), they came out one at a time, crying with a loud voice. I lost count at about twelve. As each devil was cast out, the young man gained more and more of his own faculties, beginning to cry out to Jesus for forgiveness, and asking Him to cast out the remaining devils. When it was over, he was crying and praising God and received the Holy Ghost shortly afterward. He was baptized in Jesus Name and hasn't looked back.

mfblume · #38 10-31-2008, 08:52 PM

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Forgive me, but your response betrays an inexperience with devil possession.

I forgive you, but you are quite wrong.

I have dealt with and cast out devils in people scores and scores of times. I worked with a ministry that had people coming in from across the country for deliverance. We ministered deliverance for people night after night. I learned that letting the devil have a big show is a waste of time, unless you like theatrics, yourself. It is inexperience that allows the devils to rage like they do.

We're wasting our time with someone who goes ballistic with devils. When a person repents, the devil HAS NO POWER over the person. Screaming goes totally. Fighting is gone. Screaming and taking fits is sure sign that repentance is not present. And if someone is manifesting so wildly, you have the authority in Jesus' name to command the devil to stop, and talk to the person.

I've had that happen with people I have prayed for for deliverance, and I stopped them up and talked to them about repentance. And it was not hard to stop them up. As soon as they repented, the devils came out easily without a fight.

Think of it. A legion is 2,000 to 6,000 soldiers in the roman army. And there were that many devils in the man called Legion, and they could not stop the man from running to Jesus and worshiping Him.

Spirits hold onto the people in whom they dwell due to the sins that have not been repented of. We have more power than the devil, and there is no fight. We command the devil to stop his theatrics, and then speak to the person. Repentance absolutely defeats any hold the devils had. This removes their fight and their resistance.

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The first time I ever had to cast out devils(with my Pastor and other Anointed men and women of God), they came out one at a time, crying with a loud voice. I lost count at about twelve. As each devil was cast out, the young man gained more and more of his own faculties, beginning to cry out to Jesus for forgiveness, and asking Him to cast out the remaining devils. When it was over, he was crying and praising God and received the Holy Ghost shortly afterward. He was baptized in Jesus Name and hasn't looked back.

It would have happened much sooner if you calmed the man down and taught him about repentance for things not repented of. I've seen it happen.

None of what you said disproves what I am saying. Repentance kills the power of the devil in anyone. If you want to spend a lot of time fighting with a devil, then forego the repentance. If one is unaware of that, though, you may see deliverance after much wasted time.

Why should we fight with the devil? He is defeated!

mfblume · #39 10-31-2008, 09:03 PM

There are cases when heathens are in need of deliverance and have no clue about repentance. If a devil manifests in those cases, you cannot help but have a fight. But in a general church setting there are lots of opportunities to calm the person down and talk to him/her.

Trouvere on the forum has experienced this many times as well. She can corroborate what I am saying.

Ev. Duane Williams · #40 10-31-2008, 09:05 PM

I prefer to do it the way Jesus and the Apostles did. The Bible says they cried with a loud voice when they came out. Too bad you weren't there, Bro. Blume to show Jesus and the Apostles the right way.

The devils obviously didn't stop these people from making it to the altar, either. That doesn't mean they can control their actions when the devils want to show themselves any better than someone during an epileptic seizure.