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Originally Posted by tstew
TR, are you talking about the dinner where the incumbent announced her retirement and endorsed Obama as her successor? If that is the one, I would have to point out that he would not have been the one to select that venue or really be in the position to refuse that opportunity. Please correct me if it was another situation.
I think that in all actuality for better or worse, Ayers has been accepted into Chicago politics and culture as a major player and I am not sure that their paths would have crossed otherwise.
Now, the Wright connection was just plain stupid on his part, but I guess Wright was a happening pastor in some circles.
Yes, the dinner of incumbent, Alice Palmer, held at Ayers home.
The Chicago Tribune wrote. "...a close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career. The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it."
David Jackson and Ray Long, "Obama knows his way around a ballot," Chicago Tribune, April 3, 2007
During that particular race he hired a fellow Harvard Law School alumnus to be his gunslinger and challenged the legitimacy of the signatures on petitions to put Palmer's name on the ballot. Once he set on this strategy, Obama kept challenging petitions, until he succeeded in getting all four of his Democratic primary rivals forced off the ballot.
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Originally Posted by MikeinAR
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From what I've read from reputable news organizations, I'm not sure the Ayer's thing will or should be a game changer.
This, by itself, will not be enough. However, this is just the beginning.
The plan of Sen. McCain's campaign at this pint should be to "expose" as much dirt and exaggeration on Sen. Obama so as to not sway the polls, but to create doubt.
For MANY reasons, some good some bad, this is going to be a very tight race. If Sen. McCain can create a doubt, play just a little bit on our fears, then we will not make the decision for Sen. Obama.
We'll vote for some one we're "used to".
Americans realize that times are difficult right now and they will not "take a chance" with their vote if they are convinced that Sen. Obama can't be trusted-- FOR WHATEVER REASON....
If Sen. Obama goes negative in return, he loses his image.
If Sen. Obama does not respond at all, he'll just keep getting beat up.
The next 2 debates are crucial, but even so, just a little bit of doubt.
Just a little bit.....
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Re: This Bill Ayers stuff is John McCain's last st
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Originally Posted by MikeinAR
That last article you linked to is interesting. I'll freely admit that I haven't read a lot on the whole Bill Ayers connection. I'll read things that can be verified like the article you posted. Minutes of meetings and things like that can be documented and verified.
I am going to do some more reading on all of this.
Add this to your list: Ayers, Hugo Chavez, Miranda International Center
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I know we have this thread but tonight Dick Morris talked about the Ayers and Obama relationship- and exposed some things we have not, to my knowledge talked about on this forum-
Re: This Bill Ayers stuff is John McCain's last st
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Originally Posted by tstew
TR, are you talking about the dinner where the incumbent announced her retirement and endorsed Obama as her successor? If that is the one, I would have to point out that he would not have been the one to select that venue or really be in the position to refuse that opportunity. Please correct me if it was another situation.
I think that in all actuality for better or worse, Ayers has been accepted into Chicago politics and culture as a major player and I am not sure that their paths would have crossed otherwise.
Now, the Wright connection was just plain stupid on his part, but I guess Wright was a happening pastor in some circles.
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Originally Posted by MikeinAR
That's correct on the meeting. The party was thrown for state Senator Alice Palmer to announce her retirement. The party wasn't "for" Barack Obama.
(Stew and Mike... Your posts would give the impression that naive little Barack Obambi just innocently walked into the woods and no idea who these wolves around him were. Not quite, sirs. Not quite. Anyway..)
Yes, I'm referring to that event. I think there are some who will spin it as just being a retirement party for her, where she would throw her support behind Obama. But the event was one of transition from her to Obama, in effect the launch of his political career. It was as much about the launch of Obama's senatorial career as it was about the retirement of the outgoing senator. Obama had been groomed by many in Chicago political circles as the "up and comer". His political connections during this grooming process included Bill Ayers and his wife among others. Obama was part of that inner circle and knew full well who Bill Ayers was and what he'd done. It wasn't just "a party held in Bill Ayer's home" as some would like to dismissively, or perhaps naively refer to it.
There are some who'd like to make it seem as if Obama and Ayers were like two ships passing in the night, and had just a passing knowledge of each other...but that would ignore the fact that they worked together on various non-profit political/social initiatives in Chicago and knew each other well. Of course the media, and Obama supporters realize that the Ayers connection could be toxic, and are trying to minimize it... just as they'd like us to believe that whenever Jeremiah made his America-bashing sermons during the 20 years Obama knew him, Obama was conveniently not at church that Sunday.
There's more to this than meets the eye, and from what I've seen, most of the media as a whole is doing it's best to whitewash and minimize the depth of the connection. But it's not just his Ayers connection; its also the hard-left, sometimes anti-American, sometimes anti-Israel people he associated with during his Chicago years. If the media would dig into this with the gusto the dug into Bush's Texas National Guard years, we might be surprised at what comes to the surface. Then again, they might not like what they see if they were to dig into it, which might explain why they haven't really been digging too hard.
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Anyway, dozens of articles have done solid research into Obama's left wing connections (doing the mainstream media's work for them). But I think there is a concerted effort to try to kill this story, or maybe let it die a quiet death.
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
(Stew and Mike... Your posts would give the impression that naive little Barack Obambi just innocently walked into the woods and no idea who these wolves around him were. Not quite, sirs. Not quite. Anyway..)
Yes, I'm referring to that event. I think there are some who will spin it as just being a retirement party for her, where she would throw her support behind Obama. But the event was one of transition from her to Obama, in effect the launch of his political career. It was as much about the launch of Obama's senatorial career as it was about the retirement of the outgoing senator. Obama had been groomed by many in Chicago political circles as the "up and comer". His political connections during this grooming process included Bill Ayers and his wife among others. Obama was part of that inner circle and knew full well who Bill Ayers was and what he'd done. It wasn't just "a party held in Bill Ayer's home" as some would like to dismissively, or perhaps naively refer to it.
There are some who'd like to make it seem as if Obama and Ayers were like two ships passing in the night, and had just a passing knowledge of each other...but that would ignore the fact that they worked together on various non-profit political/social initiatives in Chicago and knew each other well. Of course the media, and Obama supporters realize that the Ayers connection could be toxic, and are trying to minimize it... just as they'd like us to believe that whenever Jeremiah made his America-bashing sermons during the 20 years Obama knew him, Obama was conveniently not at church that Sunday.
There's more to this than meets the eye, and from what I've seen, most of the media as a whole is doing it's best to whitewash and minimize the depth of the connection. But it's not just his Ayers connection; its also the hard-left, sometimes anti-American, sometimes anti-Israel people he associated with during his Chicago years. If the media would dig into this with the gusto the dug into Bush's Texas National Guard years, we might be surprised at what comes to the surface. Then again, they might not like what they see if they were to dig into it, which might explain why they haven't really been digging too hard.
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Anyway, dozens of articles have done solid research into Obama's left wing connections (doing the mainstream media's work for them). But I think there is a concerted effort to try to kill this story, or maybe let it die a quiet death.
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
If people can't see this, then I am shocked. This interview was in 2001. I have voice clips from 2007 where Ayers and his wife are still hating on America. My goodness.
They don't want to see it. They are as blind as Stevie Wonder. I'm convinced people are voting Obama for four reasons.
1. They hate Bush
2. Black is beautiful
3. They are blind
4. They hate America
Someone who is any other color wouldn't have gotten to first base with his shady background.
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This may have been posted and I missed it, but I read this morning that Obama wrote an endorsement for a Bill Ayers book back in 1997. The book was about the juvenile justice system I believe. I'm not sure how long the Obama campaign can continue to claim that BO didn't really know Bill Ayers. That seems impossible to me. Now did he know every violent act he committed? Probably not, but he had to know about the man's controversial past.
I think this definitely calls BO's judgement into question. Obviously, I don't believe that BO supports bombing federal buildings and killing innocent people, but he should have better judgement than to be as close as he was to Bill Ayers. A President's decisions on who he surrounds himself with is critically important. GWB has a failed presidency because of who he surrouned himself with. This election wouldn't be about the failed policies of the last 8 years had GWB had better judgement about who he surrounded himself with. I believe that GWB could have been a very effective President had he been surrounded by different people.
All in all, I'm not sure this will be enough for McCain. If I was supporting Obama, it would definitely make me take a second look at this judgement, however.
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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY
They don't want to see it. They are as blind as Stevie Wonder. I'm convinced people are voting Obama for four reasons.
1. They hate Bush
2. Black is beautiful
3. They are blind
4. They hate America
Someone who is any other color wouldn't have gotten to first base with his shady background.
Yes, trust me, we realize that anyone who doesn't agree with your beloved Republican party hates America. GWB, Karl Rove, and Dick Cheney have done their best to make that clear.
Most Americans realize the small-mindedness behind that thought, but we've all heard it.
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