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Old 09-07-2008, 06:02 PM
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I'm supporting the right to say, HEY I DON"T AGREE WITH Either, will not play their games .
But at least ONE WILL end up being president despite you no vote protest....it will go un noticed
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Old 09-07-2008, 07:05 PM
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Re: The Bottom Line...

No vote is giving Obama another vote. McCain/Palin may not have all the answers but they are much closer to the value system of true Christians than Obama will ever be.

We can't have it both ways...stay univolved in politics and complain about what we end up with, or getting involved and promoting the vote for life and the institution of marriage as God set it up from the beginning.

Many don't realize how close we are to Sodom & Gomorrah. What constitutes a family is so loose that it can be a pedophile living with his gay lover molesting adopted children.

We need to look at all the issues, and vote with the integrity of our Apostolic teachings.

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Old 09-07-2008, 09:24 PM
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Re: The Bottom Line...

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2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS

ISSUE





Favors new drilling offshore US
JOHN McCAIN Yes
BARAK OBAMA No
Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
JOHN McCAIN Yes
BARAK OBAMA No

Served in the US Armed Forces
JOHN McCAIN Yes
BARAK OBAMA No
Amount of time served in the US Senate
JOHN McCAIN 22 YEARS
BARAK OBAMA 173 DAYS
You all need to realize how much the average person, not blindly married to any political party is tired of such double talk and illogical reasoning. This amount of Senate time stat is more than misleading, it is a GOP talking point that is not even logical. The crazy thing is that the Die-hard Republicans on this forum always accuses the Dems of just blindly buying into propaganda. In my opinion both sides are equally guilty and it drives me crazy. I just don't have the energy anymore
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Will institute a socialized national health care plan
JOHN McCAIN No
BARAK OBAMA Yes
Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
JOHN McCAIN No
BARAK OBAMA Yes
Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
JOHN McCAIN No
BARAK OBAMA Yes
Supports gun ownership rights
JOHN McCAINYes
BARAK OBAMA No
Supports homosexual marriage
JOHN McCAIN No
BARAK OBAMA Yes
Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
JOHN McCAIN No
BARAK OBAMA Yes
Voted against making English the official language
JOHN McCAIN No
BARAK OBAMA Yes
Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
JOHN McCAIN No
BARAK OBAMA Yes

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN
15% (no change)
OBAMA
39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN
(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN
- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax
Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!





You can verify the above at the following web sites:

http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html

http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes
http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/politics/articles/mccain_obama_offer_different_visions_on_taxes.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/barack_obama/
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/john_mccain/
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:31 PM
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Re: The Bottom Line...

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Wow, ease up a bit, HT.

I don't think Jekyll was implying that one evil is greater than another, he was coining a phrase.

And, not voting is not the answer, in my opinion. If you don't vote, you don't have the right to gripe.
Okay, MP...I'm already probably out there against the grain so I might as well go all the way out. It is amazing to me that you would tell HappyTown to "ease up" after her post (which I didn't think was particularly harsh to anyone), but not say anything about all of the blatant personal attacks that I have been reading here. (I think her being told to "shut up" is quite a bit harsher than what she said). I personally have been appalled at how someone would post something about a third party or an issue...then have the immediate response be a series of personal attacks, name calling, and childish insults about their intellect. Most of these from those who claim to be the moral and spiritual superior.
I think that it is should be easy to discuss their opinions without all of that...or at least attempt to.
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:38 PM
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Re: The Bottom Line...

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Okay, MP...I'm already probably out there against the grain so I might as well go all the way out. It is amazing to me that you would tell HappyTown to "ease up" after her post (which I didn't think was particularly harsh to anyone), but not say anything about all of the blatant personal attacks that I have been reading here. (I think her being told to "shut up" is quite a bit harsher than what she said). I personally have been appalled at how someone would post something about a third party or an issue...then have the immediate response be a series of personal attacks, name calling, and childish insults about their intellect. Most of these from those who claim to be the moral and spiritual superior.
I think that it is should be easy to discuss their opinions without all of that...or at least attempt to.
I really don't know what you're talking about, Tstew.

Jekyll asked if she was going to vote for the lesser of two evils, and she took it literally and demanded scripture that implied that there were stages of evil. And, she did it pretty resolutely!

I was trying to inform her that he wasn't speaking literally, just asking if she would vote for the candidate that she thought was least evil.

And, I stand by my statement that if you don't vote, you don't have the right to gripe.

As far as any other personal attacks, I haven't seen them.
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:40 PM
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Re: The Bottom Line...

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Unless you leave the good ole USA - you'll be affected by their games.
After this election leaving this place might be wise! The good ole USA, she is far from what it was intended to be. We are slave, yet to delusional and caught up in the lies to realize it!
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After this election leaving this place might be wise! The good ole USA, she is far from what it was intended to be. We are slave, yet to delusional and caught up in the lies to realize it!
What or who are we slaves to?
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I really don't know what you're talking about, Tstew.

Jekyll asked if she was going to vote for the lesser of two evils, and she took it literally and demanded scripture that implied that there were stages of evil. And, she did it pretty resolutely!

I was trying to inform her that he wasn't speaking literally, just asking if she would vote for the candidate that she thought was least evil.

And, I stand by my statement that if you don't vote, you don't have the right to gripe.

As far as any other personal attacks, I haven't seen them.
MP, I've seen plenty of name calling and juvenile insults and that just does not sit right with me...especially as an initial reaction to someone's opinion. I guess I've just been hoping that someone would step in and tell people to ease up with all that.
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Then shut up!!!
Soon as you get a thinking mind!!!!
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MP, I've seen plenty of name calling and juvenile insults and that just does not sit right with me...especially as an initial reaction to someone's opinion. I guess I've just been hoping that someone would step in and tell people to ease up with all that.
Well, if HT thinks she's been insulted, she can report the post.

However, I must admit, if anyone admits to me that they are not going to vote, and then proceed to gripe about the leadership of this country, I might be inclined to tell them to shut up too.

However, since that post, HT has indicated she'll write in a name. Which will be a wasted vote, but a vote nonetheless.
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