Did Paul let his hair grow long? - Page 4

Sister Alvear · #31 08-29-2008, 04:08 PM

I have always been interested in the Nazarite vow.
Lots of things have symbolic meanings in the Bible and are relevant to culture of the day.

TRFrance · #32 08-29-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

2 Questions:

#1 Have you looked at your Greek NT to see how it was worded before translation? (that is my point) I didn't believe it either until I looked for myself in my Nestle/Marshall.

Yes I have. I didn't just pull this out of thin air. I have several Greek tools that I refer to for difficult NT passages.

Besides, I quoted 13 versions that disagree with you on that verse. (I can provide many more if you like.)
Meanwhile, can you provide 13 versions that agree with you? Somehow I think not.

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

#2 How does NATURE teach us that it is a shame for a man to have long hair?

Are you really serious with that question?
OK... simple answer:

The same way "the heavens declare the glory of God". (Psalm 19:1)

There's your answer,sir.

Sister Alvear · #33 08-29-2008, 04:41 PM

Well, I don´t like long hair on a man...but I have always wondered about the Nazarite vow and how it fit in...

theoldpaths · #34 08-29-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I asked this on the wrong thread. This question and the Nazarite vow has always been an interest to me...any serious thoughts about this?

The following is taken from "Because We Are His, Biblical Studies in Practical Holiness, The Hair Question" by Raymond Woodward...

"Some contend that while Paul taught men to have short hair, he himself took a Nazarite vow, basing this opinion on Acts 18:18 - “And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.” However, the “vow” referred to in this verse is from “euche,” the same word used in James 5:15 for the “prayer” of faith. Paul did not shave his head because he was finishing a Nazarite vow, for the New Testament church did not practice that! Rather, he had just been delivered from the court of Gallio, so he needed to cut (“kiero”) his hair because he was going to prayer! Paul knew that God cared what his hair looked like!"

The whole section on hair is quite interesting.

Sister Alvear · #35 08-29-2008, 10:10 PM

Can that be proven?
I find it interesting.

and please I am not for long haired men! lol...

Sister Alvear · #36 08-29-2008, 10:18 PM

"Paul stayed on in Corinth for some time. Then he left the brothers and sailed for Syria accompanied by Priscilla and Aquila. Before he sailed, he had his hair cut off at Cenchrea because of a vow he had taken" (Acts 18:18 NIV).

The only vow that required one to cut off all the hair on one's head was the Nazarite vow.

Sister Alvear · #37 08-29-2008, 10:28 PM

"What shall we do ? They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everybody will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law" (vs.22-24 NIV).

"The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them. When the seven days were nearly over, some Jews from the province of Asia saw Paul in the temple. They stirred up the whole crowd and seized him" (vs.26-27 NIV).

Sister Alvear · #38 08-29-2008, 10:29 PM

This was arounf 56 or so AD...

stmatthew · #39 08-29-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

"Paul stayed on in Corinth for some time. Then he left the brothers and sailed for Syria accompanied by Priscilla and Aquila. Before he sailed, he had his hair cut off at Cenchrea because of a vow he had taken" (Acts 18:18 NIV).

The only vow that required one to cut off all the hair on one's head was the Nazarite vow.

I know a few that teach that the shaving of the head was done as part of a purification "IN ORDER TO" start a fresh dedication. It was not "BECAUSE" a dedication HAD occurred.

stmatthew · #40 08-29-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

No he did not. Show me where. And before you use Cor. you had better look at your Greek NT and see what Paul really wrote and how it is completely mistranslated.

The sentence is a statement, not a question. The text reads: "Nature itself does not teach you that if a man has long hair it is a dishonor to him."

Nature teaches us that a man's hair grows long. It is the culture which teaches us that something is shameful or not......as long as it is not expressly prohibited in God's word.

YOU may be reading it that way, but Nestles Greek does not word it that way. The exact words used is:

Not nature [her]self teaches you that a man indeed if he wears his hair long it is a dishonour to him

Of course ALL versions of the bible got it wrong when they stated that nature DOES teach you that if a man wears his hair long it is a dishonour to him.