Are Todd Bentley & C Peter Wagner Apostolic?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Leader of the "Lakeland Outpouring," Todd Bentley, was commissioned by C Peter Wagner and cronies from his International Coalition of Apostles (ICA) on June 23, 2008. Their service gave Bentley many "prophetic" accolades, which foretold of a long and God-ordained future for his ministry. Then a few short weeks later, Bentley was caught in an adulterous affair with a female staff member. Talk about discernment! Anyway, Wagner’s ICA claims to be "apostolic." Are they? If so, was/is Todd Bentley Apostolic? Here is a portion of Bentley's commissioning:

The official word was that he was in an unhealthy emotional relationship, not sexual. So we should be careful about labeling the man an adulterer. I'm not a fan of the man, but I think we should try to be as accurate about the situation as possible.

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/2208...y-relationship

Todd and Shonnah Bentley are presently experiencing significant friction in their relationship and are currently separated. We want to affirm that there has been no sexual immorality on the part of either Todd or Shonnah,

We wish to acknowledge, however, that since our last statement from the Fresh Fire Board of Directors, we have discovered new information revealing that Todd Bentley has entered into an unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff...

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

The official word was that he was in an unhealthy emotional relationship, not sexual. So we should be careful about labeling the man an adulterer. I'm not a fan of the man, but I think we should try to be as accurate about the situation as possible.

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/2208...y-relationship

Todd and Shonnah Bentley are presently experiencing significant friction in their relationship and are currently separated. We want to affirm that there has been no sexual immorality on the part of either Todd or Shonnah,

We wish to acknowledge, however, that since our last statement from the Fresh Fire Board of Directors, we have discovered new information revealing that Todd Bentley has entered into an unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff...

Thanks for the clarification. Yes, honesty is paramount! I edited my original post.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

So is he apostolic?

You do realize "Apostolic" is a term used by different groups to mean different things. Catholics to mean an unbroken line of Apostles passed on from one to the next. It means to "Charismatics" a belief that they have Apostles and Apostolic gifts and "us" a belief in carrying on the same Apostolic teaching and practice found in scriptures

[jlogan]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You do realize "Apostolic" is a term used by different groups to mean different things. Catholics to mean an unbroken line of Apostles passed on from one to the next. It means to "Charismatics" a belief that they have Apostles and Apostolic gifts and "us" a belief in carrying on the same Apostolic teaching and practice found in scriptures

Is he apostolic according to the definition of this forum?

JL

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jlogan

Is he apostolic according to the definition of this forum?

JL

I don't know either man's theology

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You do realize "Apostolic" is a term used by different groups to mean different things. Catholics to mean an unbroken line of Apostles passed on from one to the next. It means to "Charismatics" a belief that they have Apostles and Apostolic gifts and "us" a belief in carrying on the same Apostolic teaching and practice found in scriptures

Yep, I do. Like I said earlier...

Originally Posted by TK Burk

That is no surprise. Even Noah Webster would have a hard time defining apostolic to encompass all that Churchianity believes. But the issue is what does the Bible say? Do these men fit the description of an apostle like we find in the Scripture?

That is the Million Dollar question!

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't know either man's theology

Here is the Statement Of Faith of the International Coalition Of Apostles of which Peter Wagner is the leader.




Since it is essential that the members of ICA be cemented together by a common set of fundamental beliefs, the following doctrinal statement defines the primary biblical and theological parameters of the organization:



The International Coalition of Apostles (ICA) positions itself in the evangelical theological stream of Protestant Christianity. It adheres to the Apostles’ Creed and to the core doctrines of the Protestant Reformation, namely the ultimate and essential authority of the Scriptures for Christian faith and practice, justification by faith, and the priesthood of all believers. It believes that God is Father, Son,and Holy Spirit, that Jesus was born of a virgin, that He was physically raised from the dead, and that an individual’s personal relationship to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior determines that individual’s eternal destiny in heaven or hell. The fulfillment of Jesus’ great commission to make disciples of all nations is central to the focus of ICA.

[TK Burk]

Michael the Disciple,

Thanks for posting that. From what I’ve studies, at the center of their beliefs is a doctrine they call the “Third Wave.” It encompasses much of the teachings of the ‘Latter Rain’ movement. They’re also connected to “Kingdom Now” and “Dominion Theology.”

Much of what they teach is centered on the belief that modern-day apostles and prophets will give the church a ‘new word.’ This will then bring the world into revival. Once the world’s systems and peoples are readied, Jesus will return to earth.

The “New Word” is vital to their success, because many of their teachings cannot be found in the already canonized Bible. This "New Word" is exactly what Todd Bentley said was the reason why he could do and say much of what he did.

[U376977]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

BAMOLOSTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

Funny!!

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You do realize "Apostolic" is a term used by different groups to mean different things. Catholics to mean an unbroken line of Apostles passed on from one to the next. It means to "Charismatics" a belief that they have Apostles and Apostolic gifts and "us" a belief in carrying on the same Apostolic teaching and practice found in scriptures

Very accurate. And by simply calling themself "apostolic" does not mean they are true Apostles. "I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: " (Rev. 2:2).

Originally Posted by TK Burk

That is no surprise. Even Noah Webster would have a hard time defining apostolic to encompass all that Churchianity believes. But the issue is what does the Bible say? Do these men fit the description of an apostle like we find in the Scripture?

Of course not. They may call themselve Apostolic or Apostles but that does not make them true Apostles. It is impossible to be an Apostle without FIRST having the revelation of Jesus Christ. YOU WILL NEVER FIND A TRINITARIAN Apostle (they may have the calling to the office of an Apostle, but they will never walk into their ministry until they receive the revelation of Christ).

Eph. 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,


Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)


Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

I think the above verses make it very plain that qualification of Apostles and Prophets is the revelation of Jesus Christ.

[ManOfWord]

I also know that Peter Wagner wrote the godhead part to be acceptable to oneness folks. He told me that himself personally when I took some classes at Wagner Leadership Institute and recieved my Masters there. (please note that this is an earned diploma not to be confused with a degree) He and the Tenneys including Tommy have been fairly tight in the past. Peter unashamedly states that he is a trinitarian but sees validity in the oneness doctrine.