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07-13-2008, 10:25 AM
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Re: D. Bernard shares his thoughts about HolyMagic
Please explain why the angels need a womans long hair to let them know she is under submission, "has power with God" etc but have no need of any outward symbols like that to tell if men are under submission or "have power with God"?
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Re: D. Bernard shares his thoughts about HolyMagic
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Please explain why the angels need a womans long hair to let them know she is under submission, "has power with God" etc but have no need of any outward symbols like that to tell if men are under submission or "have power with God"?
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Those same angels were thought to have copulated with the "daughters of Adam" in Genesis 6.
It's sort of like saying, "Hands off Mephisto, this girl's already taken...!"
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07-13-2008, 11:15 AM
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Re: D. Bernard shares his thoughts about HolyMagic
I have never had an angel try to sin with me yet...of course I havenīt cut my hair...ha...
love you folks...quite interesting what I have been reading here.
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07-13-2008, 11:56 AM
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Re: D. Bernard shares his thoughts about HolyMagic
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I have never had an angel try to sin with me yet...of course I havenīt cut my hair...ha...
love you folks...quite interesting what I have been reading here.
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You would make a great liberal sis. =) j/k
thanks for the laugh
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Re: D. Bernard shares his thoughts about HolyMagic
I would like to know why everyone can agree that I Corinthians 11 is talking about headship and submission and then all of a sudden it gets changed to being uncut hair and or veils mean submission. I like that DB stressed long hair but then to go on and say that long hair means uncut hair ruined it for me. I know that is what they believe and have been taught for many years but I do not see it. I do see long hair but not uncut. I even understand long hair but when you start replacing words like long with uncut and short with cut it then totally changes it all and makes it sound crazy. If they want to change the long for uncut that need to read it that way and think about how that sounds.
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Re: D. Bernard shares his thoughts about HolyMagic
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I agree with you, Rhoni. We can't possibly know DB's motives in writing the email the way he did. I think speaking to the issue is the proper response. Bringing names like, LS or RR, into the discussion, although some may view it as being politically astute, doesn't address the issue but only adds fire to the flames. DB clearly shows the wisdom God has given him by leaving the proponents of the teaching out of the picture in his response to Dan.
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Timlan is right about a higher up in the UPC stepping up to the plate and sounding an alarm about this issue but it can be done in a way so as not to alienate brethren but in love and correction.
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How can it be done...any suggestions?
Blessigns, Rhoni
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Re: D. Bernard shares his thoughts about HolyMagic
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I just find the idea that the angels are looking around to check out a woman's hair length to judge if they are consecrated, under submission, and have power with God or not pretty bizzare and quite the leap in logic.
Interesting there are no outward signs like these to judge if a man is consecrated, under submission, or has power with God.
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That has always been my contention...all the legalism appears to be directed at women. 
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07-13-2008, 02:20 PM
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Re: D. Bernard shares his thoughts about HolyMagic
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You would make a great liberal sis. =) j/k
thanks for the laugh
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To some I am liberal to others I am a con...whatever...ha...
After our service Iīll post some pictures we are having a friendly debate...
Rhoni need you here for the liberal side! hey, I love you girl.
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Re: D. Bernard shares his thoughts about HolyMagic
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I didn't quite read it that way CC1. I do believe angels are among us and look down on us. Remember they cannot be like us, as they are not the redeemed of the Lord. They are beneath us are they not? Not humanity but those of us that are saved.
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The bible tells us who the angels encamp about...why do we have to make up extrbiblical doctrine and leaps of assumptions...why can't people just accept God's word?
Psalms 34
7The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.
Col. 2:
18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21(Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22Which all are to perish with the using  after the commandments and doctrines of men?
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