Is Homosexuality demon possesion or learned behavi

[stmatthew]

I believe that man (and woman) are born with the propensity to sin. Some give themselves to it more fully than others. But I also believe that our lives and the surrounding circumstances within our lives do shape us. Someone that has been sexually abused has a higher risk of abusing someone else. Thus we are often a product of our surroundings.


I also believe that some literally have a demonic spirit that causes them to entertain perversion and homosexuality. I know one particular case where a man who was a homosexual talked so high his voice resembled Micky Mouses voice. It was unnatural. A pastor and myself prayed with him at an alter, but he was unwilling to let the spirit go. You could almost see the spirit coming up in him, and then he would swallow it back down. I have never encountered something quite like this in my life. It was strange.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Rico

Aquila, I agree with this line of reasoning. It makes perfect sense. It explains why certain diseases are genetic too. Does God create someone to be a diabetic, or have heart problems, or end up with breast cancer? I don't think so, but sin has infected man to his very core, even his DNA.

Some don't see how deeply the principle of "sin" has twisted mankind from God's original design. When a gay person says,

"I was born this way! Ever since I was a child I felt this way. I can't help it."

They are really saying,

"I was born a sinner. Ever since I was a child I was a sinner. I can't help it."

There is no good thing in this twisted, rotten, stinking, evil flesh. Down to it's very DNA it's corrupt. Desperately wicked...that's why it must DIE. It's evil. The spirit inside is captive to it. And only the POWER of God can strengthen and save the spirit. Only the POWER of God can change a man or a woman...all the way down to their DNA.

When a gay person says, "I was born this way."

We need to say, "Amen, all men were born with sin friend. But Jesus can save your soul and set you free...but it's up to you to decide if you want to give Jesus a try. You may have been born this way...but he can heal you. After all, he loved you enough to die for you, even though you were born this way."

[Rico]

I know what it is. RRFord is feeling that tug. He can feel the AFF suction power drawing him back into posting with us and he must resist it with all his might. The Borg is calling.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by rrford

I will bow out of this converstaion with this post:

Very few things in scripture are listed as an abomination. While the sinful nature is inherent in us, with all of the resultant behaviours and effects, not one of those rises to the level of an abomination. Surely we understand a difference between what would call the normal results of a sinful nature and the abherrent results of giving oneself over to sin? The one comes without choice; the second is totally predicated upon choice.

I can agree to some degree. While a gay person may be born a sinner, with homosexual tendencies...they choose to act on those tendencies. We're born with our hormones and pheromones responding to the opposite gender...and we still have a choice to fornicate or not.

When a homosexual says they always had that inclination they're saying that they have never felt the same depth of physical attraction toward the opposite gender. They had always responded hormonally and physically toward the same gender. They say they were born that way. Well...we're all born with sinful inclinations tied up in the very DNA of this rotten, sinful, fallen flesh. They can be healed.

But if they've acted on those inclinations...they need to repent of the act.

Repentance will bring forgiveness for the acts performed...healing will deliver from the uncontrollable inclinations of their flesh. It's going to take a two fold deliverance.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by live4him

well i do beleive that it is hard to think that it is genetic, it sounds as though it could be a chemical imbalance to. but i think some people are gay because they were either molested or raped and they cannot trust the opposite sex, but i see alot of woman who turn gay because they were molested and they do not trust men at all, they become scared of them, but yet they dress like men, and the men who are molested when they were younger become addicted to that type of lifestyle-----why? i do not know it is strange

I know, I've seen it too. Sometimes it's psychological. Many people can trace it to a moment of abuse...others have always struggled with it. That leads me to believe it can be the result of emotional trauma...or biological. Just like other mental illnesses and pesonality disorders. Sometimes people can go through a traumatic experience and their personality fragments into multiple personalities. Others struggle with a chemical imbalance that makes them shift between personalities given their "episode". We're very complex creatures, fearfully and wonderfully made....but sin has put virus in the program.

[live4him]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I believe that man (and woman) are born with the propensity to sin. Some give themselves to it more fully than others. But I also believe that our lives and the surrounding circumstances within our lives do shape us. Someone that has been sexually abused has a higher risk of abusing someone else. Thus we are often a product of our surroundings.


I also believe that some literally have a demonic spirit that causes them to entertain perversion and homosexuality. I know one particular case where a man who was a homosexual talked so high his voice resembled Micky Mouses voice. It was unnatural. A pastor and myself prayed with him at an alter, but he was unwilling to let the spirit go. You could almost see the spirit coming up in him, and then he would swallow it back down. I have never encountered something quite like this in my life. It was strange.

i beleive that the reason why the spirit did not come out is because he did not want to give up that lifestyle, otherwise he could have been delivered

[live4him]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I can agree to some degree. While a gay person may be born a sinner, with homosexual tendencies...they choose to act on those tendencies. We're born with our hormones and pheromones responding to the opposite gender...and we still have a choice to fornicate or not.

When a homosexual says they always had that inclination they're saying that they have never felt the same depth of physical attraction toward the opposite gender. They had always responded hormonally and physically toward the same gender. They say they were born that way. Well...we're all born with sinful inclinations tied up in the very DNA of this rotten, sinful, fallen flesh. They can be healed.

But if they've acted on those inclinations...they need to repent of the act.

Repentance will bring forgiveness for the acts performed...healing will deliver from the uncontrollable inclinations of their flesh. It's going to take a two fold deliverance.

very well said, i agree

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Rico

I know what it is. RRFord is feeling that tug. He can feel the AFF suction power drawing him back into posting with us and he must resist it with all his might. The Borg is calling.

lol

I think some just listen to the talking points of the far Right. Those on the far right have nearly made it dogma that it's purely a choice. But as science discovers more and more how the homosexual brain chemistry reacts to pheromone and hormonal stimuli they are learning that in blind tests when exposed to same gender hormone, the brain becomes sexually awakened. Even if the gay person doesn't know if they are smelling male or female sweat.

On a scientific level it's fascinating. On a theological level it goes to show just how twisted this flesh is from the creator's original intention.

[live4him]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I know, I've seen it too. Sometimes it's psychological. Many people can trace it to a moment of abuse...others have always struggled with it. That leads me to believe it can be the result of emotional trauma...or biological. Just like other mental illnesses and pesonality disorders. Sometimes people can go through a traumatic experience and their personality fragments into multiple personalities. Others struggle with a chemical imbalance that makes them shift between personalities given their "episode". We're very complex creatures, fearfully and wonderfully made....but sin has put virus in the program.

i do agree, i beleive it is a choice and to there choices there is always concequences to your actions and actions can lead to death, no matter what sin it is,

[live4him]

Originally Posted by Aquila

lol

I think some just listen to the talking points of the far Right. Those on the far right have nearly made it dogma that it's purely a choice. But as science discovers more and more how the homosexual brain chemistry reacts to pheromone and hormonal stimuli they are learning that in blind tests when exposed to same gender hormone, the brain becomes sexually awakened. Even if the gay person doesn't know if they are smelling male or female sweat.

On a scientific level it's fascinating. On a theological level it goes to show just how twisted this flesh is from the creator's original intention.

if this is true this is unbelievable, and absouletly weird, the brain becomes sexually awakened, it kinda makes since