Is "One-Step" Closer To Hell?

[Ron]

All these "what ifs" what about "what sayeth the book?"

Read & obey Acts 2:38 & you will have confidence!

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Really? Define repentance.

Me, me.....let me..........
Repentance just means a change of mind, or change of direction. It literally meant "about face" in the Greek. It is when you are on a road toward hell and you turn around and start toward God. It is not crying in an altar, although it can be accompanied by that. It may not be emotional at all. It is a decision to turn from following your own ways and beginning to follow God's ways.

We laughed for years at Baptists saying someone made a "decision for the Lord" but that's what repentance literally means. I've seen a lot of people weep and cry in an altar because they were emotionally moved and then go out and live the same way when they left church. They never really made a life changing decision, but were moved at the moment. Give me a decision anytime!

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by Ron

All these "what ifs" what about "what sayeth the book?"

Read & obey Acts 2:38 & you will have confidence!

Including the confidence (and audacity) to know the mind of God, apparently.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Me, me.....let me..........
Repentance just means a change of mind, or change of direction. It literally meant "about face" in the Greek. It is when you are on a road toward hell and you turn around and start toward God. It is not crying in an altar, although it can be accompanied by that. It may not be emotional at all. It is a decision to turn from following your own ways and beginning to follow God's ways.

We laughed for years at Baptists saying someone made a "decision for the Lord" but that's what repentance literally means. I've seen a lot of people weep and cry in an altar because they were emotionally moved and then go out and live the same way when they left church. They never really made a life changing decision, but were moved at the moment. Give me a decision anytime!

Very true.

Actually there are two words in the Greek covering repentance, one means having a Godly sorrow & the other means to do an about face and go the other way.

It isn't supposed to be all emotional.

When I came to God many years ago, I started chucking out my playboys, occult books, & all my rock albums, & I still wanted to know what repentance meant!

Nobody told me to do that.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

I believe in the divine three-step mandate of repentance, water baptism, and Holy Ghost infilling to enter heaven. Also, I become weary hearing and reading one-stepper illustrations of the "what if theory." Here's a question for you one-steppers.

There's an atheist, the son of a Pentecostal preacher traveling via airplane and finally accepts the message of Jesus Christ. The atheist states he'll repent of his sins after landing, while in the presence of his father, and the airplane then explodes in mid-air.

Would God send a Pentecostal's preacher boy to hell after his determination was to repent in the presence of his physical father, that his physical father might rejoice with him, in the presence of a mighty merciful God?

I mean, surely, the same merciful God that saves a person after their determination to get baptized, and yet dies in a plane crash before being baptized, this very same merciful God will save a sinner whose determination was to repent, but dies in a plane crash, correct?

This is the same logic you one-steppers utilize, so your answer should be undoubtedly swift.

You appear to be sadly ignorant of what it means to have "saving faith in Jesus Christ..."

You seem to be so steeped in "works based" salvation that you see salvation as a "to do list..." Thus "repentance" is something your hypothetical "preacher's boy" can simply add to his schedule along with his laundry and yard work.

If the "preacher's boy" truly came to a saving faith in Jesus Christ while on the aircraft, his repentance would have been immediate. And so, all that would remain in your story would be for the young man to carry the report of his conversion to his father.

It is the report of his conversion that would have been interrupted by the imagined explosion, not the young man's repentance.

It may be that he was also convicted in his heart about some angry words that he had shared with his father at some point - Repentance would of course necessitate apologies and reconciliation, but that involves his relationship with his earthly father.

You really need to see conversion and belief in Jesus Christ as an interactation between the human heart and the Holy Spirit. Once you have done so, I believe that you will understand saving faith more clearly.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DerrickS

Including the confidence (and audacity) to know the mind of God, apparently.

An excellent observation. The original post in this thread reeks and drips of so much hubris that I worry about the author.

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Me, me.....let me..........
Repentance just means a change of mind, or change of direction. It literally meant "about face" in the Greek. It is when you are on a road toward hell and you turn around and start toward God. It is not crying in an altar, although it can be accompanied by that. It may not be emotional at all. It is a decision to turn from following your own ways and beginning to follow God's ways.

We laughed for years at Baptists saying someone made a "decision for the Lord" but that's what repentance literally means. I've seen a lot of people weep and cry in an altar because they were emotionally moved and then go out and live the same way when they left church. They never really made a life changing decision, but were moved at the moment. Give me a decision anytime!

Sherri,


If I watched porn on an airplane, then think to myself I think I'll stop watching porn, and I fail to ask God to firgive me, is that repentance?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

I believe in the divine three-step mandate of repentance, water baptism, and Holy Ghost infilling to enter heaven. Also, I become weary hearing and reading one-stepper illustrations of the "what if theory." Here's a question for you one-steppers.

There's an atheist, the son of a Pentecostal preacher traveling via airplane and finally accepts the message of Jesus Christ. The atheist states he'll repent of his sins after landing, while in the presence of his father, and the airplane then explodes in mid-air.

Would God send a Pentecostal's preacher boy to hell after his determination was to repent in the presence of his physical father, that his physical father might rejoice with him, in the presence of a mighty merciful God?

I mean, surely, the same merciful God that saves a person after their determination to get baptized, and yet dies in a plane crash before being baptized, this very same merciful God will save a sinner whose determination was to repent, but dies in a plane crash, correct?

This is the same logic you one-steppers utilize, so your answer should be undoubtedly swift.

NOW THAT.WAS. FUNNY!!

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Sherri,


If I watched porn on an airplane, then think to myself I think I'll stop watching porn, and I fail to ask God to firgive me, is that repentance?

It's not just stopping something for the sake of stopping. It's turning toward God, and I believe that involves asking for forgiveness of sins. But ultimately it's a decision to do right.

[Encryptus]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

We are in agreement.

Just as an individual who has repented and yet failed to get baptized before death, they're both destined to hell and the lake of fire.

Then your Hypothetical is really irrelevant.

Suppose he hears the gospel for the first time on the plane and does repent.

It explodes, so according to you he spends eternity burning anyway.

(No place to get immersed on the plane)



Really you are too much.