Why would the person who wrote this text mislead us? It never said familiar spirit. It never informs us "but this was not really samuel"
In fact
1Sa 28:14 He said to her, "What is his appearance?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is wrapped in a robe." And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and paid homage.
The narrater of 1Sam said "And Saul KNEW that it was Samuel". Why didn't he write instead "And Saul THOUGHT that it was Samuel".
The context, along with the witches shock shows that it was the real deal. It never would normally happen like this. That is what shocked the witch. Further more, the spirit told the truth to Saul. Why would the familiar spirit speak the words of Jehovah to Saul and not rather some other message?
I think this was a case of God allowing Samuel to be raised for one last rebuke. She did not have that power herself.
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Do we have any scriptural example, exhibiting the devil's alleged power to "catch away", "to rapture", "to wisk away" or "to translate a physical human body to another location"?
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Samuel and Saul has been a question long debated...
I donīt think the witch had that kind of power...yet God could have done it but it would seem like if He did it would go against His own word in other places...I have thought about this often...and am reading your allīs opinions...
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Samuel and Saul has been a question long debated...
I donīt think the witch had that kind of power...yet God could have done it but it would seem like if He did it would go against His own word in other places...I have thought about this often...and am reading your allīs opinions...
There you have it folks! Mother Alvear agrees with Bro-Larry ....uhh...sort of.. Thank you Sis A for your support.
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You know I wondered about that. The usual old lady was there offering a free sampling of Beanies & Wienies when this terrible apparition of the undead leapt up from her little crockpot and compelled me to buy the seedless watermelon at $7 each.
At least that's what I told my wife was the reason behind me spending so much on a watermelon.
Do we have any scriptural example, exhibiting the devil's alleged power to "catch away", "to rapture", "to wisk away" or "to translate a physical human body to another location"?
Who says it was "the devil" that caused the seance manifiestion in question? Maybe people have the knack? Or maybe "the dead" really do get "restless?"
Or maybe it was just a trick of the light and Saul's desperate emotional condition that brought it all on, but the lessons learned were important enough to be preserved?
"Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God." Lev. 19:31, KJV
"So Saul died for his unfaithfulness which he had committed against the Lord, because he did not keep the word of the Lord, and also because he consulted a medium for guidance. But he did not inquire of the LORD; therefore He killed him, and turned the kingdom over to David the son of Jesse." I Chr. 10:13-14.
Do any of you really think that God would involve Himself in any of this kind of thing?
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
Samuel and Saul has been a question long debated...
I donīt think the witch had that kind of power...yet God could have done it but it would seem like if He did it would go against His own word in other places...I have thought about this often...and am reading your allīs opinions...
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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry
There you have it folks! Mother Alvear agrees with Bro-Larry ....uhh...sort of.. Thank you Sis A for your support.
Did God go against His word when Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus in the Transfiguration?
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
"Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God." Lev. 19:31, KJV
"So Saul died for his unfaithfulness which he had committed against the Lord, because he did not keep the word of the Lord, and also because he consulted a medium for guidance. But he did not inquire of the LORD; therefore He killed him, and turned the kingdom over to David the son of Jesse." I Chr. 10:13-14.
Do any of you really think that God would involve Himself in any of this kind of thing?
God did not go seeking a wizard or those that have familiar spirits in this case.
As for the verse in 1Chr...Saul did NOT go inquire of the LORD. HE inquired of a Medium...and? that does not prove that the LORD raised up Samuel.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Thank you Sis A for your support.
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